Endgame too challenging and teamwork based (Hear me out)!

[Zfz]

BC will remain the hardcore top-of-the-difficulty-curve content. Crystal Tower, however, will be tuned to accommodate more errors.

I think there needs to be hard content that challenge those who want the challenge. We are just presented with an incomplete product at launch (missing Crystal Tower).

[Adelphe]

IM guessing you just read my title and replied without reading... I already said I do it with my FC and fill with Linkshell. I feel content should not be so difficult that you have to assemble a team of good players to get it done. Doing turns 1 and 2 we had to coordinate our free time and get it done once a week. It would be nice to have endgame progression anytime I can log on without the scheduling and player hunting....

I agree with you but it wont change, its sad but all end game content for any MMo has always been like this, people compared wow to this fine u could pug the 25 man raid in LFG, it was easy, but u couldnt easily pug a 10 man Hard mode or w/e it was called in wow, without ts, guessing SE expects you to do end game with a FC and everyone on Teamspeak or something, its just not possible otherwise unless your already geared with gear you get from the actual RAID, then its against the point really, lol

[Myleus]

pve challenging, rly? It's only numbers and a A.I with some reaction moves.
I hate how players define you as skilled by this when the real skill is against others real persons (aka pvp) but this game never force a real tension. Yoshi-P just trolled me with DaoC and Ultima pvp commentaries and how he wanted to implement it....just when his game is full instance for all.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

Please give me all level 50s and all endgame loot in my inventory. Playing MMO with others is too stressful!

[Zfz]

pve challenging, rly? It's only numbers and a A.I with some reaction moves.

Execution is a skill in itself. The best ball player can do little if his teammates don't co-operate on the field. The "challenges" of PvE includes this execution. In fact, it's all in the execution.

PvP and PvE just require different skills. No need to bash others just because they like a different "game" than you. You don't have to come into this thread to preach how PvP players are superior skilled players.

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And some of us consider "real" skill to be owning a house, a family, sending my children to varsity, etc.. But there's no end to that, so let's just agree not to bring up the "real skill" flame bait again, shall we? :3

[traja]

Content that you use a group finding tool to complete should never be very challenging. That only leads to players leaving groups on the first sight of problems and overall frustration for all parties. But at the same time the best rewards available should only be possible to acquire from content that you cannot use such a tool for. And the hardest of the hardest stuff should be so unforgiving that only a very small percentage ever get there. This way there is content for all but at the same time there is a challenge to be found as well.

But with the current net code... lol.

[Myleus]

Execution is a skill in itself. The best ball player can do little if his teammates don't co-operate on the field. The "challenges" of PvE includes this execution. In fact, it's all in the execution.

PvP and PvE just require different skills. No need to bash others just because they like a different "game" than you. You don't have to come into this thread to preach how PvP players are superior skilled players.

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And some of us consider "real" skill to be owning a house, a family, sending my children to varsity, etc.. But there's no end to that, so let's just agree not to bring up the "real skill" flame bait again, shall we? :3

that's the problem there are no involved skills on pvp and pve cuz are separated and there are no tension while you are raiding, then dont call your execution challenging like a real challenge, maybe its for you satisfaction and your friends but an mmo need more a competitive way

[Zfz]

dont call your execution challenging like a real challenge

Yes, I bow to your mighty crazy PvP real skill. Now please go away and stop derailing the thread. Create your own "PvP is real skillz" thread if you like. Have some common courtesy of staying on topic. Thread is about PvE here.

[Dano]

of coz the content is hard and unforgiving, coil is designed with ilvl80 gear in mind, which doesnt drop at the moment until crystal towers get released.

[Myleus]

Yes, I bow to your mighty crazy PvP real skill. Now please go away and stop derailing the thread. Create your own "PvP is real skillz" thread if you like. Have some common courtesy of staying on topic. Thread is about PvE here.

But it's true, dunno why u rage here when PvP was planned like part of this game and i'm no mighty, i'm just pragmatic about fighting vs an A.I not the same like fight vs humans