There's nothing impressive about Hardcore.

[zakalw3]

Edited post for clarity. Original post is quoted somewhere below.
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The difference between Hardcore and Causal has nothing to do with skill. I know some people who play this game every hour of every day, and they're not that brilliant, whereas others who play a couple of hours a night are outstanding.

For a start, there is nothing really difficult about this game. It's all remembering patterns and timing skills. The most difficult part is finding a group you can rely on, and once you have that and you know the content a win is inevitable. So telling people you can speed run x content just shows you've learnt the patterns and committed them to memory, not that you're some kind of superior gamer. Casual gamers can do his too, they just won't get there as quickly or do it as often.

There is nothing wrong with being hardcore, I'm not suggesting that, merely pointing out that just because you're focused on the game more it doesn't make you better by default.

Your definition of "Hardcore" is skewed, Hardcore doesn't mean plays all the time it means they put a lot of effort into the time they play. People who don't have alot of time can be considered hardcore as well if they apply themselves.

Actually, you're just arguing semantics and we're talking about the exact same thing. Time/effort... A hardcore player is someone who focuses on the game intently. That doesn't mean the effort their putting in is greater in the sense that they're actually better at the game, it just means that playing the game gets more of their attention than a causal player.

Hardcore does not = skill.

Casual is generally just atributed to people who want everything instantly with no effort.

Absolute rubbish. You're suggesting that every casual player wants something for no effort. You can't see the heavy bias here skewed toward making yourself feel superior for being hardcore?

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There is nothing impressive about focusing on this game more than others, and casual doesn't imply lack of skill. This is the fact that needs to be studied by some players here.

[Jynx]

Your definition of "Hardcore" is skewed, Hardcore doesn't mean plays all the time it means they put a lot of effort into the time they play. People who don't have alot of time can be considered hardcore as well if they apply themselves.

Casual is generally just atributed to people who want everything instantly with no effort.

[zakalw3]

Your definition of "Hardcore" is skewed, Hardcore doesn't mean plays all the time it means they put a lot of effort into the time they play. People who don't have alot of time can be considered hardcore as well if they apply themselves.

Casual is generally just atributed to people who want everything instantly with no effort.

My definition is the right one, it's yours that's skewed.

Edit: Jynx's comment highlights the problem precisely. The negative connotation that's been applied to casual, and this positive that's been applied to hardcore is the exact issue. It's simply elitism, and a deluded sense of superiority.

I think the fact it's getting more likes tells us all we need to know about the attitudes present on these forums.

[EdenArchangel]

My definition is the right one, it's yours that's skewed.

'Merica.

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[RyuujinZERO]

My definition is the right one, it's yours that's skewed.

I propose we wait and see who's version gets more likes; your or his

[zakalw3]

I propose we wait and see who's version gets more likes; your or his

I think that says more about the mentality in this forum that somehow hardcore = superior by default, or that it really means anything more than "I have more time to game".

Also, my quote was actually making fun of the person it was quoting.

Damn the rest of us must be doing it wrong then. I mean your highest level is 38 and you've already downed all of the hardmode primals, full cleared binding coil, etc.

So you're telling me that learning a set pattern is hard?

You're telling me that finding a party of people who can also do this is really tough?

I didn't realise this game was different in that way from the countless other MMOs I've played... Thanks for letting me know in time, I guess I better quit now and save myself the frustration of failing!

[Kitya]

So you're telling me that learning a set pattern is hard?

You're telling me that finding a party of people who can also do this is really tough?

Actually, I think he's telling you to actually experience all of the hard content in the game before declaring the game is easy. But that could just be me. >.>

Your definition of "Hardcore" is skewed, Hardcore doesn't mean plays all the time it means they put a lot of effort into the time they play. People who don't have alot of time can be considered hardcore as well if they apply themselves.

Casual is generally just atributed to people who want everything instantly with no effort.

While I agree with your definition of Hardcore, I take issue with your definition of casual. The actual definition of casual does not have anything negative associated with it. A casual player is just someone who doesn't have as much time, who doesn't care about getting the best possible gear/progression/etc as soon as he possibly can and just plays the game to have fun and do what he feels like.

Your definition of casual falls better under the definition of Lazy and Bad. :P

[Volcano]

Your definition of "Hardcore" is skewed, Hardcore doesn't mean plays all the time it means they put a lot of effort into the time they play. People who don't have alot of time can be considered hardcore as well if they apply themselves.

Casual is generally just atributed to people who want everything instantly with no effort.

It's funny you call his view of hardcore skewed when your definiton of "casual" is just that. the irony

[Kewitt]

Your definition of "Hardcore" is skewed, Hardcore doesn't mean plays all the time it means they put a lot of effort into the time they play. People who don't have alot of time can be considered hardcore as well if they apply themselves.

Casual is generally just atributed to people who want everything instantly with no effort.

I think your idea of casual is skewed.
I'm a casual player, I want better gear, It's taken me about 40 days to get to cap. But honestly don't care if it take 10 hours or 10 weeks.

[Jynx]

I think your idea of casual is skewed.
I'm a casual player, I want better gear, It's taken me about 40 days to get to cap. But honestly don't care if it take 10 hours or 10 weeks.

I wouldn't classify you as casual then, I have yet to do any endgame content myself and I'd still consider myself a Hardcore gamer.

The definition really differs for everyone but in general "Casual" has a negative connotation to it in the gaming universe. There really is no "Set" deffinition of hardcore or casual gamers. Hell I'm sure some people would call me casual for not having done any endgame. It's no skin off my back, but my point is that the OP is just flat out calling "Hardcore" gamers entitled trolls, it's just as bad as my initial spat at what "Casual" refers to.

Sure I can't say my view isn't skewed but I really don't consider people who try to play the game "Casual" I only consider the people who think you can't level fast enough and want the game to be easier as casual gamers as they have limited interest and investment in the game in general. I consider Casual gamers the ones who play the game for a few months and move on to the next flavor. Whatever floats your boat but I wouldn't be wrong in saying that in general to "Gamers"

the word "Casual" has massive negative connotations to it. Much as other buzzwords like "Broadinging the audience" or "Accessabillity" often lead to negative reaction due to the times these have been said in the gaming community.