Speed-running cut-scene skippers...

[alhandra]

when i ran CM the first time the only way i could find a group was thru the DF because all of the groups being formed were for speed runs. ironically enough the party it put me decided right from the start that it would be a speed run. did that change the way i played? nope i still watched my cutscenes, to hell with them if they can be bothered to wait 30 secs for someone to watch a cutscene, if they rush the boss and get themselves killed thats on them, if they get me locked out of the fight oh well ill go have a smoke break while they beat the boss, im getting my tomes either way.

basically what im saying is, if you get stuck in a group with a bunch of whiny asshats then let them go ahead and rush it, you will get credit either way.

[HurtigeKarl]

did you tell them that they were depriving you of the 'true experience' before they started talking down to you?

did you tell them you wanted the other 7 people to wait for you to watch your cutscenes because your time is more valuable than the 7 of theirs combined?

if i was in that group, that would probably set me off too, and i would probably talk down to you.

then again, when i DF cm, i do it as a tank, and i bring a healer from my fc with me - so we couldn't really care less who does/doesn't skip cutscenes, we're clearing ahead regardless

but if someone is in cm for their first time, and they start getting lippy about me going too fast, i will probably respond, and it probably won't be polite.

Yes, because this is World of Warcraft and the story is certainly not the most important aspect of this game. Futhermore, this game also teaches us lorewise to behave like our enemies, the Garleans.

Not to mention, it is certainly faster and more hardcore to use duty finder than to form your own group.

So, yeah you are very right.

the devs havent even replied to the 100 of threads on this very subject. Good grief.

Yes, because it is so hard to use the dev tracker and therefore impossible to find

Greetings,

The development team is aware that the benefits for defeating regular monsters in high level dungeons are not proportionate to the effort. They are also aware that dungeon runs can also be filled with players with conflicting goals (like enjoying the story versus doing a farming/speed run) that leads to it being difficult to enjoy the content. They feel that improvements in these areas are needed and are currently working on countermeasures for this.

We will be sure to fill you in on the details in the near future.

which of course does not exist at http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...25#post1355125.

[TheRac25]

Ruined the entire ending of the main story for me. I was completely and absolutely deprived of the true experience. They totally ruined the entire mood and atmosphere. Yet these same people had the nerve to talk down upon me (with profanity and other name-calling of course) when truthfully, they're the ones that are entirely in the wrong.

This CANNOT be allowed to continue. If it were up to me, I'd simply perma-ban people like this for polluting the community. However, I suggest that Duty Finder dungeon runs should simply force cut-scenes that can't be skipped. If they want to speed run the instance the burden should be placed upon them to find other like-minded individuals rather than ruining the experience for other people.

I agree with your sentiments but please do not suffer fools and use the leave button next time!

[Vmage]

Yes, because this is World of Warcraft and the story is certainly not the most important aspect of this game. Futhermore, this game also teaches us lorewise to behave like our enemies, the Garleans.

Not to mention, it is certainly faster and more hardcore to use duty finder than to form your own group.

So, yeah you are very right.

who said anything about faster or hardcore?

i just said that when i use the duty finder to do CM, i'm not waiting for anyone regardless of how many times they ask

but if i'm going to the trouble to make a premade group, i'm going to do praetorium instead of CM anyways, it's faster if you bring DPS that aren't terrible

[Cubester]

did you tell them that they were depriving you of the 'true experience' before they started talking down to you?

did you tell them you wanted the other 7 people to wait for you to watch your cutscenes because your time is more valuable than the 7 of theirs combined?

if i was in that group, that would probably set me off too, and i would probably talk down to you.

then again, when i DF cm, i do it as a tank, and i bring a healer from my fc with me - so we couldn't really care less who does/doesn't skip cutscenes, we're clearing ahead regardless

but if someone is in cm for their first time, and they start getting lippy about me going too fast, i will probably respond, and it probably won't be polite.

All your reply shows is that you're a douchebag first class. Hope you're proud.

[Vmage]

All your reply shows is that you're a douchebag first class. Hope you're proud.

i'm not really sure why you would think that, but you're entitled to your opinion.

the way i see it, anytime i queue up for a CM, i've just shortened the wait time of all those dps going through it for their first time (although that's pretty rare, more often than not everyone at least has a primal weapon - which is unattainable before you've finished the story?)

i don't really mind that they aren't thankful that i'm doing philanthropic CM clears for them, but if they're unhappy about me doing all the heavy lifting for them, i'll be unhappy right back at them :s

[texasminotaur]

I have a possible solution to the problem of having to deal with the speed-run people for those that want to enjoy the cutscenes, at least on their first go through a dungeon:

I'm on the Midgardsormr server and am not even high enough level on the job I want to finish the story with (WAR, currently at 36), so the need to do those high level dungeons isn't even on the near horizon yet. But after reading thread after thread about people with this problem, I created a linkshell called "Dungeon Help LS". It's primary purpose is to give people who want to go through the cutscenes on their first run though the opportunity to do so without people complaining at them. The LS will be full of people who are willing to go through a dungeon like the high level ones and give the person a chance to actually enjoy the storyline of the dungeon!

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[texasminotaur]

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Another benefit of this linkshell is for people who want to help others with lower level dungeons, giving friendly guidance on safe ways to do the boss fights (I know I did Brayfox's Longstop and had a time trying to figure out how to properly tank the dragon and the other party members had a fit because I couldn't figure it out and I got annoyed with them yelling at me to do it right, when I really was trying.).

I would propose that someone create a LS like this on EACH server, and have a group of people willing to help others out (those that want the help can join and quit the LS at their leisure....I don't know if there's a limit to how many people can be in a linkshell!)

[Rekujen]

You only have Square to blame, not those people.

[Govalon]

So permabanning the CM speedrunners, aka 99% of all lvl 50? Yeey!

If this was my game, this is what I would do. 99% of the people, including you, are trash that are not needed in this game. People like you can go play call of duty, WoW or something else where story is not important. This is Final Fantasy and the game doesn't need trash like you.