There's nothing impressive about Hardcore.

[zakalw3]

Edited post for clarity. Original post is quoted somewhere below.
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The difference between Hardcore and Causal has nothing to do with skill. I know some people who play this game every hour of every day, and they're not that brilliant, whereas others who play a couple of hours a night are outstanding.

For a start, there is nothing really difficult about this game. It's all remembering patterns and timing skills. The most difficult part is finding a group you can rely on, and once you have that and you know the content a win is inevitable. So telling people you can speed run x content just shows you've learnt the patterns and committed them to memory, not that you're some kind of superior gamer. Casual gamers can do his too, they just won't get there as quickly or do it as often.

There is nothing wrong with being hardcore, I'm not suggesting that, merely pointing out that just because you're focused on the game more it doesn't make you better by default.

Your definition of "Hardcore" is skewed, Hardcore doesn't mean plays all the time it means they put a lot of effort into the time they play. People who don't have alot of time can be considered hardcore as well if they apply themselves.

Actually, you're just arguing semantics and we're talking about the exact same thing. Time/effort... A hardcore player is someone who focuses on the game intently. That doesn't mean the effort their putting in is greater in the sense that they're actually better at the game, it just means that playing the game gets more of their attention than a causal player.

Hardcore does not = skill.

Casual is generally just atributed to people who want everything instantly with no effort.

Absolute rubbish. You're suggesting that every casual player wants something for no effort. You can't see the heavy bias here skewed toward making yourself feel superior for being hardcore?

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There is nothing impressive about focusing on this game more than others, and casual doesn't imply lack of skill. This is the fact that needs to be studied by some players here.

[Jynx]

Your definition of "Hardcore" is skewed, Hardcore doesn't mean plays all the time it means they put a lot of effort into the time they play. People who don't have alot of time can be considered hardcore as well if they apply themselves.

Casual is generally just atributed to people who want everything instantly with no effort.

[zakalw3]

Your definition of "Hardcore" is skewed, Hardcore doesn't mean plays all the time it means they put a lot of effort into the time they play. People who don't have alot of time can be considered hardcore as well if they apply themselves.

Casual is generally just atributed to people who want everything instantly with no effort.

My definition is the right one, it's yours that's skewed.

Edit: Jynx's comment highlights the problem precisely. The negative connotation that's been applied to casual, and this positive that's been applied to hardcore is the exact issue. It's simply elitism, and a deluded sense of superiority.

I think the fact it's getting more likes tells us all we need to know about the attitudes present on these forums.

[EdenArchangel]

My definition is the right one, it's yours that's skewed.

'Merica.

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[Volcano]

Your definition of "Hardcore" is skewed, Hardcore doesn't mean plays all the time it means they put a lot of effort into the time they play. People who don't have alot of time can be considered hardcore as well if they apply themselves.

Casual is generally just atributed to people who want everything instantly with no effort.

It's funny you call his view of hardcore skewed when your definiton of "casual" is just that. the irony

[AlmaMalma]

If you do something often enough it becomes second nature. That can seem like 'skill' but it's really only reflex. Similarly if you're doing something new, and you're hyped up and paying attention because it's exciting and fun, you can either foul it up spectacularly or, alternatively, perform really brilliantly. It just happens. It's great when you do something first (like a boss fight) and it works great, but it's rarer than going to do the same boss after umpteen turns and doing the right thing at the right time. Just the way games work out. Same with other things in life, ever seen a RL skilled weaver in action? Now that's skill. Or is it repetition?

[Brises]

I always thought hardcore gamers are the ones who want to squeeze all possible content out of a game, get all achievements, all trophies, etc... and do it as hard as possible. And casual gamers don't care about all that, they play as long as it's fun, but usually don't go for unnecessary challenges. And true, it has nothing to do with how much time you are able to play.

[AlmaMalma]

Now that would define a true hardcore player! One who wanted to maximise the difficulty in achieving a win. What would be more difficult then, to be 1 in a party of 8 who was the knowledgeable geared player, and running deliberately with 7 who were low-geared and didn't know the score? A win with those odds, now that would be hardcore. Wouldn't it?

[Sixmp]

I would say a hardcore gamer is someone who enjoys playing, they don't use guides unless they have to. When they lose they get back up and keep trying until they win.
It isn't imo a style of play but attitude. It has nothing to do with gear or skill. It's refusing to give up even though you know you will probably lose.

It's taking the more difficult route even though there might be an easier option.
It's the guy who crosses the marathon finish line 4 hours later than everyone else, because he didn't give up.

Even with the cheesy music. This guy is hardcore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt7w8hV90SI

http://www.teamhoyt.com/about/index.html

[Phaus]

Your definition of "Hardcore" is skewed, Hardcore doesn't mean plays all the time it means they put a lot of effort into the time they play. People who don't have alot of time can be considered hardcore as well if they apply themselves.

Casual is generally just atributed to people who want everything instantly with no effort.

Lol OP just got smacked in the face with a whole lot of logic and refuses to admit it.
Hit the nail perfectly.