Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
Oh, for the days when kids were called losers if they struck out in Little League or threw a game-losing pick 6 in Pop Warner. Being berated by teammates built character and if they offed themselves, no big deal. The world's not built for losers, right?.
Well yeah, ummm why would you want to grow up to be a loser? Unless you really just don't care to be exceptional in anything in life and are ok with being less than a productive member of society......... Not sure where your argument is going.

Regarding FFXI the game itself had major time sinks but people were revered for their accomplishments.