This community is shaping up to be the worst around..

[Vagrant-0]

Actually there are a lot of bad tanks in this game.

Special circumstances call for different reactions. There are plenty of good or decent tanks too. It doesn't change the fact that a DPS that is reasonably geared can strip agro from even the best tanks if they really wanted to.

Paying attention to how much agro you are drawing from your actions is still everyone's responsibility. Unlike most other MMOs, this is clearly shown both on the party display for the active target, and has a general indicator next to every other target. A good DPS will meter their abilities early on so that the tank has enough time to build up threat before using damage buffs or off-GCD attacks. Unlike most other MMOs, the tank (both paladin and warrior) lacks any ability which is an instant re-capture of agro, so must maintain it throughout the fight. There is no taunt spam ability other than the combo attacks made by the tank, and even that is limited by TP pool. The fact that a fully leveled legacy player does not understand this probably explains your low opinion of tanks. If the tank is geared lower than the DPS, the DPS should recognize this and either accept that they are responsible for staying alive through whatever mobs they pull, or should adjust their rotation accordingly. Of course a fully geared DPS will always strip agro from a newly AF 50 tank, even with standard rotations... Use your brain and adjust as needed so the run goes over smoothly instead of trying to pull out your E-peen, seeing how high you can crit or how quickly you can kill while tanking mobs; your run may be a little longer, but you'll look less like a douche.

Most of the "not going to heal you" stuff I've seen has only occurred in lower level instances, and usually in relation to DPS who intentionally pull mobs before the tank, or who consistently attack other targets than the tank is targeting. With the exception of the occasional Fate-bred DPS, I have not seen this become an issue post 40. Those people, the ones I am specifically talking about here, are the ones that really do need to learn how the game works and how their class contributes to the standard party. Keeping them alive while the tank exhausts everything trying to get back agro, then berating the tank for not being overgeared, or losing agro because someone decided to activate raging strikes and go through a full burn rotation at the beginning of the fight is not helping the matter.

[Shirai]

Ok that is true. On the other hand this can be said about nearly any language. At least as far I know from a friend that lives in the Netehrlands he founds english way easier than german. At least if you use the language aside of the common level. So I think it is the best thing to say that all languages can be mean on a deeper level.

I can attest to this, but one major reason for this is, if your friend is around the same age as I am (I'm in my early 30's), that a lot of cartoons and tv shows that we watched when we were young were broadcasted in English with subtitles.
We were basically taught English before we learned in School, aside from that a lot of primary schools here start giving English lessons once you hit the second before last year (Age 8~11) while German lessons start when you hit middle school (Age 12~14).

Another reason why we find German a harder language is because of the grammar, English is a LOT less complicated than German when it comes to grammar.

That said though, neither language is as complicated as Dutch.

[mmcsky]

English a hard language? Hah! Try chinese for a change, a word having different meanings? Try a meaning having different words in Spanish, difficult to pronounce? Have you tried to read French without messing up your Rs and Ls?

I won't even mentioned the convoluted mess that some german words are, and how difficult it is to write the other languages that don't use roman letters.

Weird point aside, yes you are right english is not the most spoken language in the world by a large margin.

[ShadowHunterrX]

I can attest to this, but one major reason for this is, if your friend is around the same age as I am (I'm in my early 30's), that a lot of cartoons and tv shows that we watched when we were young were broadcasted in English with subtitles.
We were basically taught English before we learned in School, aside from that a lot of primary schools here start giving English lessons once you hit the second before last year (Age 8~11) while German lessons start when you hit middle school (Age 12~14).

Another reason why we find German a harder language is because of the grammar, English is a LOT less complicated than German when it comes to grammar.

That said though, neither language is as complicated as Dutch.

Many people dont even see the differents between Dutch and German. It will be hard to explain to some people here . Nederlanders zijn gewoon de beste !

[Kenjinmaru]

[...]Here's a fun fact: English is the hardest language to learn. Due to multiple words meaning various things.
[...] "If the DPS gets aggro from the tank I'm not healing them and they can just die as it's not my problem" is pathetic and I cannot stand it.
[...] You need active GM's patrolling the worlds.

I can only thank you for making me laugh so hard.

English is the hardest language to learn: haha i spit my tea as i puffed in laughter. English is probably the EASIEST modern language of the Proto-Indo European group. I have studied some lingustics and speak 3 languages fluently at business level, and English was faceroll. Even if i didnt know anything about semiotics, i'd tell you a language whith these grammar mechanics, only 1 to 2 verb forms in conjugating, adjectives subject to little to no changes etc... is piss easy compared to even its closest sister: German.

[Kenjinmaru]

Healers not healing DPS that pull from the tank: if the tank isnt standing there doing just auto attack, thats EXACTLY what the healers should do. If the tank has its enmity modifier on and is busy at each GCD, it is the DPS' responsibility to manage their aggro accurately, completely. Let them die each and every time so they bloody well learn the lesson. I bet these very healers are topping everyone just fine when the damage is unavoidable AoE.

[Kenjinmaru]

GMs holding your hand: i dont even see the point of it. So that you know that if you get mocked for being bad they'll save you from the bullies? So that you can feel cool buddying with one of SE and share it on Facebook?
They are monitoring what is going on where it matters, they really are, and they seem to be listening to basic BUG reporting and suggestions, which is enough at this stage. I'd rather them using all that carebearing time you are asking to answer some of the hottest topics on the Forums and share insight on the game's direction.

Stop being a whiny little child, find a FC to enjoy playing the game with and all of these QQ tears will dry.

[Xenor]

Special circumstances call for different reactions. There are plenty of good or decent tanks too. It doesn't change the fact that a DPS that is reasonably geared can strip agro from even the best tanks if they really wanted to.

Paying attention to how much agro you are drawing from your actions is still everyone's responsibility. Unlike most other MMOs, this is clearly shown both on the party display for the active target, and has a general indicator next to every other target. A good DPS will meter their abilities early on so that the tank has enough time to build up threat before using damage buffs or off-GCD attacks. Unlike most other MMOs, the tank (both paladin and warrior) lacks any ability which is an instant re-capture of agro, so must maintain it throughout the fight. There is no taunt spam ability other than the combo attacks made by the tank, and even that is limited by TP pool. The fact that a fully leveled legacy player does not understand this probably explains your low opinion of tanks. If the tank is geared lower than the DPS, the DPS should recognize this and either accept that they are responsible for staying alive through whatever mobs they pull, or should adjust their rotation accordingly. Of course a fully geared DPS will always strip agro from a newly AF 50 tank, even with standard rotations... Use your brain and adjust as needed so the run goes over smoothly instead of trying to pull out your E-peen, seeing how high you can crit or how quickly you can kill while tanking mobs; your run may be a little longer, but you'll look less like a douche.

Most of the "not going to heal you" stuff I've seen has only occurred in lower level instances, and usually in relation to DPS who intentionally pull mobs before the tank, or who consistently attack other targets than the tank is targeting. With the exception of the occasional Fate-bred DPS, I have not seen this become an issue post 40. Those people, the ones I am specifically talking about here, are the ones that really do need to learn how the game works and how their class contributes to the standard party. Keeping them alive while the tank exhausts everything trying to get back agro, then berating the tank for not being overgeared, or losing agro because someone decided to activate raging strikes and go through a full burn rotation at the beginning of the fight is not helping the matter.

Again, trash mobs do not hit hard. If I can 3 man the majority of the hardest dungeon in the game without a tank in the party that says it all. If you're that bad of a healer that you're only willing to spam 1 on your currently selected target then that's your own issue. When I am rotating Fire II to kill trash quickly I expect to get hate on one of the mobs if the tank hasn't distributed his enmity well enough and it is never a problem. Tank claws back the mob as I switch to MP regen, healer tops me up and I go back to DPSing. I am not going to artificially give myself a 5 second GCD just because you suck, I just won't party with you. I don't improve my gear just so I can cancel out all benefit it gives by holding back my attacks a second or two longer. I may as well just join the party in full AF if you're that bad and DPS as normal. The DPS parsing would be the same.

The point is, if you are a smart DPS and know your limits then taking a whack or two in the face isn't an issue. DPS are even meant to tank trash in some instances, IE the demons that spawn in the last boss fight of AK. If a DPS can't handle a mob hitting them then you aren't clearing it.

[Razsca]

English is probably one of the easiest language to learn, I speak 4 languages, and I can tell you French and Japanese are more complicated then English.

There's a reason why it's one of the most spoken language worldwide, and it's not because it's hard.

They probably stopped talking in French:
a) to have a better group communication
b) to avoid unnecessary flame war, since some of English only people get frustrated to see someone speak in other language because they don't understand it.

[Freakiie]

People speaking English or not isn't so much of an issue to me. It's more that people seem to consider it standard procedure to just select every language in the DF because it gives them faster queues, screw communication, I'll just use google translate to tell em I don't understand a word they're saying and lets roll! Well, that's if they're "nice", most will just queue up for all languages and then never say a word.

If you queue up for multiple languages imo you should at least have the common courtesy to speak the language you're queuing up for. Then again actually communicating in a dungeon seems to be concept that's lost on most people in this community, which kinda explains such behaviour. Why bother queuing up with people I can understand, nobody ever talks anyway. Too bad if we get a new player and nobody can tell him what to do, we'll just finish the dungeon without him.