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    Quote Originally Posted by LordSideKicks View Post
    Native? U mean British? They can speak it really well.
    Native as per any native speaker, which is regional anymore. British English =/= American English =/= Australian English and so on. And no, as a whole, native speakers of English do not speak/write the language to the high degree of arrogant exactness grammar requires. Much of the language has decayed in favor of slang and shortcuts and leetspeak.
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    Sorry, I have to agree that English is not that hard.

    I am Italian, and I've learned English by playing videogames.

    We are constantly bombarded by English words in our daily life - all it's required is a bit of willpower and curiosity, and you should reach AT LEAST a basic level of English that will allow you to understand the majority of what's usually said while playing an MMO.

    As a matter of fact, English IS the "Language of the world" currently and it should be considered the "default" language when communicating with people from foreign countries. (Yes, I know that Spanish is more widespread, but still...)
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    Honstly english is worlds easier than german in many case and as someone pointed out the offical world language after all, so it is more likely that a person uses as a second language english than france or german for example. THe last two lanuage are quite mean and grammar crazy. For example france is as once one of my teachers said a language that is totally different written than it is spoken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharia View Post
    Honstly english is worlds easier than german in many case and as someone pointed out the offical world language after all, so it is more likely that a person uses as a second language english than france or german for example. THe last two lanuage are quite mean and grammar crazy. For example france is as once one of my teachers said a language that is totally different written than it is spoken.
    In no way am I criticizing you. I applaud your English abilities! I fully understood what you said, so for the point about generally communicating, yes, English (as any language) is easy. Mastery, nope. Sadly, English is a horrible language. More so than German because how you read/write it vs. say it can vary. Plus, if I wish to be elitist, I can render sentences in English you'd have to have a Masters degree to understand. It is a horrible, cruel language, but therein lies its beauty. And unlike French, English absorbs all the other languages.
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    Easy to learn, hard to master I guess. You don't need to master it to speak correctly with people from other countries, tho.

    Other languages, like Italian, German or French, are harder to learn on a basic level so English is clearly the best option, and I believe everyone playing ANY MMO should at least make an effort to learn it a bit.
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    Be positive! Be! Be! Positive!

    It's really not, it's just easier to see the bad things that the good things
    Switch your brain to positive mode and you will see the community is really not that bad
    lot's of great people around
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    There are certainly plenty of rude and misguided people in the FFXIV community right now. But there are also a lot of great people around, too Hopefully you come across some regularly.

    The devs should really keep in mind that they have the power to guide the community in subtle ways through the game mechanics. Like with the issue OP mentioned, where lowbies can't get exp if you're too high level and you heal them. This is a game mechanic that doesn't encourage a helpful, trusting community.

    There are plenty of ways they could change this. For example, your healing power could scale down to match their level, so it isn't too overpowered when you heal them. And then they can still get exp from their kills without it being too cheap to have assistance from a highbie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jyoeru View Post
    In no way am I criticizing you. I applaud your English abilities! I fully understood what you said, so for the point about generally communicating, yes, English (as any language) is easy. Mastery, nope. Sadly, English is a horrible language. More so than German because how you read/write it vs. say it can vary.

    this can be true for any regional differences in the language (dialect). You may not even understand 1/30 of the words of typical Viennese, even if you speak german very well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jyoeru View Post
    Plus, if I wish to be elitist, I can render sentences in English you'd have to have a Masters degree to understand. It is a horrible, cruel language, but therein lies its beauty. And unlike French, English absorbs all the other languages.
    also possible with basically any language. How many languages do you speak at the C level btw?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagrant-0 View Post
    2. Regarding healing of DPS. DPS should be aware of how their own attacks draw agro and understand how and when they should use their abilities... Just like healers should understand that spamming medica at the beginning of a fight will also pull agro. This is a matter of learning your class, and the only real excuse is if the tank is flat-out making no attempt at holding agro. If someone in your party is going all out from the begining, pulling agro from the tank, then finding death soon after, then they need to take a few moments, pull their head out of their arse and consider the situation instead of continuing with the same behavior over and over. If people do not care to learn their class or how a party works, it is not your responsibility to drag them through instances.

    This aside, there is no instant fix for a tank losing agro other than the target which stole agro dying. By not healing the target which took agro (and which is still likely attacking) it becomes impossible for the tank to regain it meanwhile the healer will soon draw agro themselves from the subsequent healing spam. The end result is a dead party. This is why it is important that people learn how their class works so that everyone can do their job.
    Actually there are a lot of bad tanks in this game and it is fairly easy for a well geared DPS to draw aggro from most of them just by using their standard rotation without buffs like Raging Strikes. Trash mobs don't hit hard, I have cleared half of AK with a 3 man party missing a tank, so there is never an excuse for not healing a DPS who draws hate. Never. The DPS should be trying to make the tank and healer's life easier however by popping defensive buffs like Manaward when they draw aggro or DPSing the second mob if they know they are about to draw hate on the main target.

    At the end of the day if anyone dies to a trash mob then I question whether that healer is going to be able to heal through boss fights and most of the time they can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jyoeru View Post
    In no way am I criticizing you. I applaud your English abilities! I fully understood what you said, so for the point about generally communicating, yes, English (as any language) is easy. Mastery, nope. Sadly, English is a horrible language. More so than German because how you read/write it vs. say it can vary. Plus, if I wish to be elitist, I can render sentences in English you'd have to have a Masters degree to understand. It is a horrible, cruel language, but therein lies its beauty. And unlike French, English absorbs all the other languages.
    Ok that is true. On the other hand this can be said about nearly any language. At least as far I know from a friend that lives in the Netehrlands he founds english way easier than german. At least if you use the language aside of the common level. So I think it is the best thing to say that all languages can be mean on a deeper level.
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