How Vengeance and Steel Cyclone could be a way to balance WAR

[Paikis]

Warriors are fine. The difference only becomes noticeable once you reach Coil. Even then, you can use a WAR for anything in there, it's just easier on a PLD.

[Delorean]

Its funny how warriors probably spends more time whining how broken their class is instead of learning their class

its also funny how PLD stuck on garuda shit talks complaining warriors more than they play the game

WAR is fun to play, but it does not take a rocket scientist to see that it is lacking and the class has no niche. Unless you want to call being able to spam 200 damage on targets a niche, which isn't really, unless Aurum Vale is a part of Binding Coil of Bahamut.

Regardless of of that, I am sure there would be less complaining if the community was not opposed to using Warrior tanks. That alone makes the problem bigger than "im a warrior and im bad so im gonna complain on the forums until war get buffed".

MMOs are about playing the game with other people. If most of the community tells you your job isn't good enough to perform the role in their group, it really doesn't matter what anyone has to say in disagreement with the notion because they are wrong.

[Shizzaren]

Stuck on garuda shit? I got 50 recently, because some of us does not have enough time to sit 24/7 with one game. And complaining about warrs complaining instead of playing? I am at work, I can't play here, please. And all the warr people have silly fixes like : "just give us 20% dmg reduction like paladin got on a 3 min cd" guess what? if u want that, u'd have to trade all of your heals and be just like paladins. Then again, I'm not saying they could use a tiny buff, but all these "fixes" are not tiny buffs, more like gamechanging buffs...

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

Stuck on garuda shit? I got 50 recently, because some of us does not have enough time to sit 24/7 with one game. And complaining about warrs complaining instead of playing? I am at work, I can't play here, please. And all the warr people have silly fixes like : "just give us 20% dmg reduction like paladin got on a 3 min cd" guess what? if u want that, u'd have to trade all of your heals and be just like paladins. Then again, I'm not saying they could use a tiny buff, but all these "fixes" are not tiny buffs, more like gamechanging buffs...

The point is, you're not at Coil. You haven't experienced it as a WAR nor a PLD. There are many people here who have, like myself. On both PLD and WAR. Until you have experience, you have less room to talk than the lvl 36.

[Shizzaren]

kidding me jeckyl? that is the worst argument I've ever heard. Obviously I have more experience than the lvl 36, and also even the developers say that warriors are fine.. And they test it/have people continually test them all the time... Someone needs to learn how to play!

[thuswindburn]

And all the warr people have silly fixes like : "just give us 20% dmg reduction like paladin got on a 3 min cd" guess what? if u want that, u\\'d have to trade all of your heals and be just like paladins. Then again, I\\'m not saying they could use a tiny buff, but all these "fixes" are not tiny buffs, more like gamechanging buffs...

I don\\'t think I\\'ve ever seen warriors ask for shield oath... and it all comes down to EHP which paladins have far more of. Shield oath > defiance no matter how you swing it. And why would "warriors better from 30-39" be something you think would help your point? Nothing matters before 50 because you\\'ll out level it in a matter of days. Take both warrior and paladin to end game and then maybe you\\'ll have an inkling of an idea of what you\\'re talking about.

[Shizzaren]

Wow? Don't you have the ability to read? I was clearly referring to OP which is lvl 36 and complaining about warrs, and they shine from 30-39. That a guy complains at the level which they beat paladins by far, proves that the lvl 50 probably are complaining unnecessarily too. Please read the whole context and don't just jump to conclusions. Stop QQ on forums about warrs being bad when they are perfectly viable.

[Meshico]

I'm not a 50 warrior but I do tank as warrior in dungeons and such. And From what I can tell. As a warrior who is 46, when I read the logs and make sure I time certain things right. I can mitigate a lot of damage. And then do the self heal. I cannot wait to be 50 because I shall search for Titan as my warrior, and when people boot me out and such, i'll keep trying until I can tank him. And I think I'll do a decent job, prolly never as good as pld, but A decent job none-the-less

[Shinkyo]

36 not even at end game content saying they aint even working, also during lvl 30-39 where warriors DEFINITELY are above paladins? That's just too much.

We'll that's actually a bug of the forum. I'm lvl 50 (trying to get passed Titan HM) but did a lvl synced dungeon and this is what go snapshot.
I'm not really thinking WAR is "broken" (just harder) but scaled vs static mitigation is imbalanced per definition after hitting a dmg threshold. It wouldn't be a big issue if the game provided class specific gear that addresses the difference between WAR and PLD. I can't talk about AF+1 but having the same DL gear for both tank class is really silly. Why don't DRG and MNK share the same DL gear since they're both Melee DPS...
But what bugs me is how useless our Wrath draining skills are... Aside from IB which really only shine on crit, Unchained and SC don't give much return on investment...

[Shizzaren]

It's updated now (ur lvl on forums). And as I said I believe warrs just needs a tiny boost somehow, but not something major like almost all suggestions on this forum are.