How Vengeance and Steel Cyclone could be a way to balance WAR

[Shinkyo]

Sorry for posting yet another "WAR fix" thread but I wanted some attention.
I'd really want to keep the offensive tank concept and have our DPS being the key to our reactive mitigation.
How I'd fix WAR:
1 - Move the selfheal from Storm Path to BB. We absolutely need to have a constant selfheal rotation to close the gap with PLD CD.

2 - Make Steel Cyclone add shield equal to 300% of damage. Basically giving us tools to mitigate before burst (Steel Cyclone) and after burst (IB).

3 - Make Vengeance a skill that keeps track of incoming damage and applies a scaling dps factor to Steel Cyclone and IB while vengeance is active, thus scaling our Shield/Heal. Scaling factor should be a +% of dmg received/maxHP. The scaling factor and damage tracker is either reset after use of SC/IB (might be too powerful) or simply deactivates vengeance.

4 - Make Unchained be affect by Vengeance with the same dps scaling factor concept so that Bloodbath heals more.

[Shinkyo]

These are just concepts that I think would make WAR more viable and interesting to play.
The key things I'm trying to address:
- we have 3 moves that costs all our wrath (which is a high price) so let's have real benefit from all of them.
- Vengeance should be about taking hits in order to hit back harder and improve the efficiency of our wrath draining moves.
- we need one tool to mitigate upfront. Steel Cyclone can be that tool and would work similar to IB but as a shield
- Scale shield/heal based on damage taken

Now you'd need to carefully define the cooldown and the scaling factor so it's not OP but overall, I find these changes would make WAR really interesting.

[Shizzaren]

Warriors are fine, L2P, stop Q.Q'ing about everything -.- Paladins ain't got any self heal, and there are several encounters where warriors probably will be better than pld, yet people whine when raid content even out yet.. And well a lvl 36 not even at end game content saying they aint even working, also during lvl 30-39 where warriors DEFINITELY are above paladins? That's just too much.

[RapBreon]

Warriors are fine, L2P, stop Q.Q'ing about everything -.- Paladins ain't got any self heal, and there are several encounters where warriors probably will be better than pld, yet people whine when raid content even out yet.. And well a lvl 36 not even at end game content saying they aint even working, also during lvl 30-39 where warriors DEFINITELY are above paladins? That's just too much.

Oh messiah, we're so sorry we've all been incredibly wrong! Clearly we need to redesign math in your courageous upstanding image! Plz teach me how to smack down noobs like you with your flash of righteousness!

I SEE THE LIGHT AND IT IS BLINDING!

[Paikis]

And well a lvl 36 not even at end game content saying they aint even working, also during lvl 30-39 where warriors DEFINITELY are above paladins? That's just too much.

Anything not level 50 is irrelevant. Your post is irrelevant.

[Shizzaren]

Anything not level 50 is irrelevant. Your post is irrelevant.

Say what? I said that a guy that was lvl 36 complaining about end game already, during the time warriors are OP as fuck just proves that he doesn't know how to play... And RapBreon, Yoshi-P is fine with warriors, he just say they require a bit more skills, but truth is they just have 2 more buttons to mash on. Find the correct order to mash your buttons, and you will see that warriors ain't as weak as you think. Quite the opposite in fact.

[RapBreon]

Say what? I said that a guy that was lvl 36 complaining about end game already, during the time warriors are OP as fuck just proves that he doesn't know how to play... And RapBreon, Yoshi-P is fine with warriors, he just say they require a bit more skills, but truth is they just have 2 more buttons to mash on. Find the correct order to mash your buttons, and you will see that warriors ain't as weak as you think. Quite the opposite in fact.

I'm actually at Twins cute little man, as a Warrior.

[Shinkyo]

36 not even at end game content saying they aint even working, also during lvl 30-39 where warriors DEFINITELY are above paladins? That's just too much.

We'll that's actually a bug of the forum. I'm lvl 50 (trying to get passed Titan HM) but did a lvl synced dungeon and this is what go snapshot.
I'm not really thinking WAR is "broken" (just harder) but scaled vs static mitigation is imbalanced per definition after hitting a dmg threshold. It wouldn't be a big issue if the game provided class specific gear that addresses the difference between WAR and PLD. I can't talk about AF+1 but having the same DL gear for both tank class is really silly. Why don't DRG and MNK share the same DL gear since they're both Melee DPS...
But what bugs me is how useless our Wrath draining skills are... Aside from IB which really only shine on crit, Unchained and SC don't give much return on investment...

[Shizzaren]

Its funny how warriors probably spends more time whining how broken their class is instead of learning their class

[Delorean]

Its funny how warriors probably spends more time whining how broken their class is instead of learning their class

its also funny how PLD stuck on garuda shit talks complaining warriors more than they play the game

WAR is fun to play, but it does not take a rocket scientist to see that it is lacking and the class has no niche. Unless you want to call being able to spam 200 damage on targets a niche, which isn't really, unless Aurum Vale is a part of Binding Coil of Bahamut.

Regardless of of that, I am sure there would be less complaining if the community was not opposed to using Warrior tanks. That alone makes the problem bigger than "im a warrior and im bad so im gonna complain on the forums until war get buffed".

MMOs are about playing the game with other people. If most of the community tells you your job isn't good enough to perform the role in their group, it really doesn't matter what anyone has to say in disagreement with the notion because they are wrong.