How Vengeance and Steel Cyclone could be a way to balance WAR

[Shinkyo]

Sorry for posting yet another "WAR fix" thread but I wanted some attention.
I'd really want to keep the offensive tank concept and have our DPS being the key to our reactive mitigation.
How I'd fix WAR:
1 - Move the selfheal from Storm Path to BB. We absolutely need to have a constant selfheal rotation to close the gap with PLD CD.

2 - Make Steel Cyclone add shield equal to 300% of damage. Basically giving us tools to mitigate before burst (Steel Cyclone) and after burst (IB).

3 - Make Vengeance a skill that keeps track of incoming damage and applies a scaling dps factor to Steel Cyclone and IB while vengeance is active, thus scaling our Shield/Heal. Scaling factor should be a +% of dmg received/maxHP. The scaling factor and damage tracker is either reset after use of SC/IB (might be too powerful) or simply deactivates vengeance.

4 - Make Unchained be affect by Vengeance with the same dps scaling factor concept so that Bloodbath heals more.

[Shinkyo]

These are just concepts that I think would make WAR more viable and interesting to play.
The key things I'm trying to address:
- we have 3 moves that costs all our wrath (which is a high price) so let's have real benefit from all of them.
- Vengeance should be about taking hits in order to hit back harder and improve the efficiency of our wrath draining moves.
- we need one tool to mitigate upfront. Steel Cyclone can be that tool and would work similar to IB but as a shield
- Scale shield/heal based on damage taken

Now you'd need to carefully define the cooldown and the scaling factor so it's not OP but overall, I find these changes would make WAR really interesting.

[Shizzaren]

Warriors are fine, L2P, stop Q.Q'ing about everything -.- Paladins ain't got any self heal, and there are several encounters where warriors probably will be better than pld, yet people whine when raid content even out yet.. And well a lvl 36 not even at end game content saying they aint even working, also during lvl 30-39 where warriors DEFINITELY are above paladins? That's just too much.

[RapBreon]

Warriors are fine, L2P, stop Q.Q'ing about everything -.- Paladins ain't got any self heal, and there are several encounters where warriors probably will be better than pld, yet people whine when raid content even out yet.. And well a lvl 36 not even at end game content saying they aint even working, also during lvl 30-39 where warriors DEFINITELY are above paladins? That's just too much.

Oh messiah, we're so sorry we've all been incredibly wrong! Clearly we need to redesign math in your courageous upstanding image! Plz teach me how to smack down noobs like you with your flash of righteousness!

I SEE THE LIGHT AND IT IS BLINDING!

[Paikis]

And well a lvl 36 not even at end game content saying they aint even working, also during lvl 30-39 where warriors DEFINITELY are above paladins? That's just too much.

Anything not level 50 is irrelevant. Your post is irrelevant.

[Shizzaren]

Anything not level 50 is irrelevant. Your post is irrelevant.

Say what? I said that a guy that was lvl 36 complaining about end game already, during the time warriors are OP as fuck just proves that he doesn't know how to play... And RapBreon, Yoshi-P is fine with warriors, he just say they require a bit more skills, but truth is they just have 2 more buttons to mash on. Find the correct order to mash your buttons, and you will see that warriors ain't as weak as you think. Quite the opposite in fact.

[RapBreon]

Say what? I said that a guy that was lvl 36 complaining about end game already, during the time warriors are OP as fuck just proves that he doesn't know how to play... And RapBreon, Yoshi-P is fine with warriors, he just say they require a bit more skills, but truth is they just have 2 more buttons to mash on. Find the correct order to mash your buttons, and you will see that warriors ain't as weak as you think. Quite the opposite in fact.

I'm actually at Twins cute little man, as a Warrior.

[Shizzaren]

Its funny how warriors probably spends more time whining how broken their class is instead of learning their class

[Shuon]

isnt that the level range for cutter's cry? and then stone vigil?

i had a much easier time on pld in cutter's cry vs the bosses because of massive windows to apply stoneskin.

in stone vigil, the aevis were hitting me really hard, and there were times we HAD to pull 3 arvis at the same time.

war is certainly fun to play, but tobsay itzs super op in those lvk range is kinda pushing it too far.

[Shizzaren]

if u had stoneskin u also had conjurer lvl 34, i only have mine in 15, and most people during lvl 30-39 pally dont have a conjurer lvl 34. And yes warrs are super op during that part because they got their defiance whilst pally doesn't get shield's oath before lvl 40 (got mine in 50 because hey im one of them fate farmers)