Chill

[mouseno4]

Why do I have the feeling that we're only reading part of the story here...

The more I read, the more I get the same impression Renytenz had.
That the topic starter could not cope with a few people chattering in different language and there's probably been some more interaction than the "English pls." phrase.
Am I getting warm?

I do not condone or defend resorting to mpk or wiping groups in any situation, but I'd like to see the full story behind this.

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I see now, it was people speaking the same language being social.
It happens, but I stand my case that also you could have taken slightly more trouble typing at least those 3 extra letters.

This is the full story. Whenever someone speaks a different language upon zoning into the dungeon or mid boss fight, a request to speak ''english pls'' goes out. Whether by me or from other people. (others usually say something a little different to me, something like just ''english'' or ''english dude'' etc)


They take immediate offense to it and either cease tanking/healing so that the group wipes. I am not sure what more information you want. I wont repeat the hate speech here (ironically in english) as it is quite offensive.

[mouseno4]

I could explain the different situations which are not really related and has to do with people not knowing the fight mechanics, which causes a wipe and the verbal abuse goes back and forth between pretty much everyone. Usually it is the tank/interrupter/healer who give and take abuse.

This is an entirely different issue altogether, but may come under the same topic covered in this topic in general.

[Shirai]

Answer me this last question.

Prior to the whole wiping incident, was the progress of the run endangered in any other way aside from a people speaking a different language to each-other?

I agree, the whole wiping thing, or even argumenting would not need to happen but if their conversation isn't hurting the run itself and they keep doing what must be done just let them do their thing.
I've played games which relied on partymechanics heavier than this one, I've partied with people from all over the world speaking countless of languages I did not comprehend.
But as long as their converations did not hurt the party mechanics in any way there was no reason for anyone to speak up about it and in my experience, if they said something that was directed at me or any other person in the party or alliance that doesn't speak their language, they will switch to English.

That said, what happened to you is fairly exceptional (I hope).

[mouseno4]

It matters not how the dungeon was going.

The majority of the world speaks english. For good or not the primary language for most people is english.

As ive said, it isnt a matter of whether their chosen language was ''hurting'' the dungeon, but how the request to speak english TO the group, was taken as insulting.

If everyone in the group could see two people were speaking directly to each other and therefore could in fact understand each other - nobody would care much less say anything about it.

And as for ''if they were speaking to you, they would speak in the recipients own langauge'' is complete rubbish. I could not even tell you how often ive been spoken to directly in a language i didnt understand. All the while unable to tell them in THEIR language i cannot understand them.

pls? or please?

Said's the Internet grammer nazi

I would NEVER demand perfect spelling or grammar. Never. As long as i can understand you, you can speak in as much broken english as you like and i wont even notice.

[Renytenz]

It matters not how the dungeon was going.

The majority of the world speaks english. For good or not the primary language for most people is english.

As ive said, it isnt a matter of whether their chosen language was ''hurting'' the dungeon, but how the request to speak english TO the group, was taken as insulting.

If everyone in the group could see two people were speaking directly to each other and therefore could in fact understand each other - nobody would care much less say anything about it.

And as for ''if they were speaking to you, they would speak in the recipients own langauge'' is complete rubbish. I could not even tell you how often ive been spoken to directly in a language i didnt understand. All the while unable to tell them in THEIR language i cannot understand them.

Just back to square one, are we. I told you why what you said might have been a bit insulting. Whether you see it as reasonable insult or not matters not - many cultures are very different, in lots of ways you can hurt person's feelings and not even notice it. Now the person in question showed his knowledge of English, thus if need be, he would response with the translation. What you don't realize is that wording, even if completely normal to you or your culture, could be not normal for sensitive individuals from other cultures. Not "English pls" but "i dont understand you" might make a world of difference. Not that much more letters there, if you can't stand a bit behind and type that then don't bother, them answering will actually take even more time if that's somehow related to dungeon.

[diulalasing]

I would NEVER demand perfect spelling or grammar. Never. As long as i can understand you, you can speak in as much broken english as you like and i wont even notice.

It's suppose to be a joke haha

[Amenian]

The majority of the world speaks english. For good or not the primary language for most people is english.

Ummm what? Try 7% native English speakers and 30% as a second language. Hardly the majority of the world.

http://www.davetalks.com/articles/sy...ences-work.htm

And if you really wanted to get specific, the majority of the world's population would speak Mandarin. So chinese pls.

[Beefsteak]

Ummm what? Try 7% native English speakers and 30% as a second language. Hardly the majority of the world.

http://www.davetalks.com/articles/sy...ences-work.htm

And if you really wanted to get specific, the majority of the world's population would speak Mandarin. So chinese pls.

Sure 7% world wide, but how many of those are actually relevant to the game?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ing_population

[diulalasing]

pls? or please?

Said's the Internet grammer nazi

[Shirai]

Then healer or not, I would have personally taken a slightly more polite approach.
It goes both ways, in my eyes you were rude as well by "demanding" of them that they spoke English, even if you didn't mean to be.

In game conversation is still text based, one cannot discern the emotion behind a written text.
A few added words could have made the convo, and the run go into a completely different direction.