What happened to players?

[gigi_frana]

What happened to players? Well, I personally got older, more experienced and eventually... jaded as hell and elitist down to the core.

You stand in something that kills you? Ok, now you know what it does so you don't do it again. I'm cool with that. But why would you stand in it again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again? It still kills you or damages you like it did the thousand times before. Now the healer has to compensate for your lack of... whatever. I personally can't tolerate other people repeating the same mistakes, at all.

I've only played instanced MMOs where a small party works together to achieve a common goal in a closed envinronment (as in, I'm "cancer from WoW"). I'm a tank, fairly competent one at that. I can carry 99.9% of the groups trough the instances with the healer, no matter how much the dps slacks or fucks up, unless it has dps checks. Seeing "that guy", once again making things harder for everyone gets old, very fast.

Then there are the people who come in undergeared and make the run last 2xlonger or impossible to complete. Just because they want the better gear from the harder instance sooner.

So maybe the instances are at fault? They might be a faulty concept for people who like nice things and cookies, but I like them. I don't really see how you could fit a server population of over 1000 anywhere without instances. Not with today's graphics. It's an easy solution to allow bigger server populations. More the merrier.

What happened to people? Games became different: MMOs started to demand more than just time. MMOs also got bigger, a lot bigger and more popular. Playing games with small populations might be an answer. But on the other hand, will a game that has small population be any good? MMOs require a huge investment of time and money to be good. Keeping people hooked using an instance based lootwhoring is the easiest way to keep people subscribed to an MMO. It's also the easiest kind of MMO to make. It's like a drug, you need your fix (that one item!)

mostly what he said happened. to people.

[AccountBanned]

Also love how I hear this phrase from every ffxi fan boy, "I haven't played WoW and it sucks." At least the WoW community doesn't bash games they have never played. Personally think most of this negativity came from f2p mmos and ffxi. Meh that's my only problem with this game. If you haven't played a game don't talk bad about it. Saves yourself from looking silly.

Not that I want to prove you wrong..but I never played WoW until about 5 months ago when I saw it was F2P so I tried it...leveling up I met up with someone who I guess was leveling up another character. I told him that I was looking forward to Final Fantasy XIV ARR when it came out. He said...and I quote..."Final Fantasy sucks" and I said oh you tried it? "Nah I've seen videos"

[Knosis]

I agree that FFXI had a better community. It may have to do with the fact that it REQUIRED TEAMWORK and COMMUNITATION. Join a FATE group and zerg in silence isn't my idea of a good time. I think v1.0's failure discouraged SE from creating something of their own. Instead, they rehashed old MMOs and created an easy game that doesn't rely on communication.

No more traveling to camps by using silence and sneaking behind goblins? No more organizing exp parties? No more communicating in groups? Yea, FFXIV ARR is definatelly no where near as great as FFXI was.

Remember how we got tons of abilities and spells (ex: Fire I, Fire II, Fire III, Firaga I, Firaga II, etc)? The choices were fantastic and the fact that we had to use the abilities to strengthen them was amazing. It used to be a hard game, but they made FFXIV ARR easy mode. It's very sad.

Here's a Phoenix server player wishing luck to all the community gamers who enjoy a challenging and sociable MMO.

<3

[Kafziel]

So what happened? Wow did. It changed the mentality of mmos/players (again noting not ALL) in general and now all of a sudden its some kind of "standard".

The mentality of mmos/players/people in general may have changed but WoW was not the cause for much of it. A far more likely suspect is the internet itself and how people seem to think the anonymity of it lets them say and act however they want. I saw very few who changed how they acted in game because of WoW. I did see people who acted differently than in the real world because they were playing a game on the internet.

[ArcheustheWise]

The mentality of mmos/players/people in general may have changed but WoW was not the cause for much of it. A far more likely suspect is the internet itself and how people seem to think the anonymity of it lets them say and act however they want. I saw very few who changed how they acted in game because of WoW. I did see people who acted differently than in the real world because they were playing a game on the internet.

I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree to a certain extent.. Because before wow, every mmo game i played had very little "bad" experience. It may not have started in wow (im not arguing that and if i did ill go change my words) what im saying is that wow made it THAT much worse by opening the doors of mmorpgs to a much LARGER audience. If the inet's bad influence drained through that medium whos to say, but wow was the medium in which it happened. Like or hate the game wow did influence the genre heavily player or other game wise, no one can deny that.

Hell, some games changed completely due to wows influence. (see SWG)

[Starcore]

I respectfully declined the website offer and just said that thanks but I don't trust outside webpages (honestly very polite) and the response was "You're f****** retarded"

i will agree on the thing about people being mean. I remember back in 2000 in Everquest, when i started. There were many people ready to help and give me gear and coin. People spending hours on corpse runs, random people at that. My theory on that is. Most people back then were older as most children did not have credit cards and as i suspect most parents were weary of giving there child there credit card info. (My parents were chill on this front, i was in 8th grade going into 9th).

Also as most people had computers most parents would not let there children use there computers as they were insanely expensive. I happened to be lucky in that nature and had my own computer but i had many friends that their parents would not let them touch there computers.

[Kuvu]

I would love to rewind time and replay 6 glorious years with EQ1. even with all the time sinks and such. the game promoted a community by forcing you to make friends. whether a mage or druid for teleports or SoW. or simply making an item and or learning the area. duty finder? wtf is that, didn't exist. game forced you to immerse yourself, explore, ask questions and take risks.

my question is, what happened to MMOs?

I am there with you, i played eq for 10 years, but really back then nobody condoned or put with the type or mentality or attitudes and behavior we see now, yes we did have the elite guild but they didnt act half as bad as what we see now. i still go back and run through the progression servers from time to time. To answer you question, it was WOW and instant gratification.

Its just funny that I go on WoW forums and everyone is helpful and constructive and don't bash other games. Come on to this forum and everyone acts like jerks and bashes on WoW as the worst game ever with the worst community.

Yep, FF community is best and all other games are not unique or good. All trash. Except ffxi of coarse. /sarcasm

Also love how I hear this phrase from every ffxi fan boy, "I haven't played WoW and it sucks." At least the WoW community doesn't bash games they have never played. Personally think most of this negativity came from f2p mmos and ffxi. Meh that's my only problem with this game. If you haven't played a game don't talk bad about it. Saves yourself from looking silly.

Wow serious? Wow forums put redit to shame and thats saying something.

[Lucke]

You stand in something that kills you? Ok, now you know what it does so you don't do it again. I'm cool with that. But why would you stand in it again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again? It still kills you or damages you like it did the thousand times before. Now the healer has to compensate for your lack of... whatever. I personally can't tolerate other people repeating the same mistakes, at all.

"Did I ever tell you the definition...of insanity?"

Anyway, I might have been lucky, but I found 1.0 to be MUCH MUCH nicer. I had a good LS though, so maybe I was sheltered from elitists. But wow, since 2.0 launched there has been a definite change in behavior from the community as a whole. I dunno if it's because the "Flavor of the Month" club is here for what.

[Starcore]

Make the game harder, leveling take longer, and create more time sinks, when this happens the game will become more social.

1.0 ^

P.S. Remove the ability to solo level unless it's a craft/gathering class.

Social? i spend hours in FATE grps. And most of my groups we talk and laugh as we accomplish similar goals.

[Cegiana]

Big post.

Why does everyone want everyone to be super nice to each other? Not all of us are out to make friends (that's why we get RL friends.) Some of us just want to play FFXIV and not be bothered by others. I do my Duty Finder run and I don't want to be best friends with those on the run. And if that person doing the run is clueless, I dont want to waste my time with them. Best example are those that are tanks but don't take hate, CNJ that have no idea how to cure/protect and DD that keep getting hate from mobs that the tanks arent fighting. I usually correct those people ONCE and ONCE ONLY, if they dont listen, I bail on the run. This game isnt brain surgery and I shouldnt have to be nice to those that dont do their job.

Also, about your refusal to go to a website to learn what you need to know about the game, your LS member was right to yell at you. The guy took the time to give you a web address and for no good reason, you chose to not go there. You couldve been grateful, but instead you told him that you dont visit outside sites, thats rude on your end. Ever heard of antivirus? Usr it and stop being so afraid of the internet.

Also, if you really wanted to not play anymore after such a minor incident, then you really arent committed to your character or the game, you're just here to do stuff with others. I can't imagine why anyone would play FFXI or FFXIV for the social aspect, play it for the story and character development. If all you care about is social interaction, then you might be in for a harsh surprise, cause many could not care less about that, as you can tell by your own experiences playing this game.