More specific BLM rotation questions

[HoroBoro]

Got this idea from reddit. The only time I find transpose to be usefull is when you have a firestarter proc going into UI. Go ahead and finish blizzard 3 > Thunder 2> Mana full> Transpose and firestarter fire3. This puts you into AF1 and causes the fire 3 to do more damage at 0 extra mana cost.

Why do this instead of just using your proc on the end of your fire cycle though? You lose a quick cast fire 1 and the firestarter proc basically. Not sure if it's worth it.

[rzr22]

Why do this instead of just using your proc on the end of your fire cycle though? You lose a quick cast fire 1 and the firestarter proc basically. Not sure if it's worth it.

I get your argument for the quick cast fire 1, but the point of not using it on the end of your fire cycle is because it requires a slight pause to see if you even got a proc or not rather than chain casting things. I'm not sure how you lose the firestarter proc, though. You probably lose tons of firestarter procs due to how the proc mechanic works (proccing at the last second).

The question I originally posed is whether waiting that second to see if you got a proc is better DPS than simply chain casting and losing procs. I suppose I'll need to go test this myself.

I use Thunder III as my initial attack if I can shave some time off it before the tank pulls. Helps if you can hear your tank and he tells you right when he'll attack so you can maximize your DPS. Other than that it's Thunder II, or if I have Swiftcast.

I guess it may be gear dependent/attribute dependent, but casting Thunder III at the start means I do one less fire in my Astral phase. I suppose if you had some piety from something. I stop my astral phase when my MP drops below 1036 (MP required for a Blizzard III + Thunder II). If I start with T3 with no MP regen, I tend to get around 1013 IIRC, which means I can't cast that one extra fire I could if I cast T2.

No one has answered this yet.

If Thunder is still on the target when I'm in umbral and has a decent amount of time left on it (say, 10+ seconds), should I refresh it in anyways or cast something else? If I should cast something else, should it be Blizzard I?

[HoroBoro]

I get your argument for the quick cast fire 1, but the point of not using it on the end of your fire cycle is because it requires a slight pause to see if you even got a proc or not rather than chain casting things. I'm not sure how you lose the firestarter proc, though.

I mean the a Fast fire 3 doesn't take much more time then an instant fire 3. You have the global 2.5 sec CD, and the only benefit would be you get an Astral 1 fire 3. I'd rather take the astral 3 fire 3. You can jump to cancel Blizz 3 fast enough in my experience and Blizz 3 casts really fast anyways so you don't lose that much time.

Depending on your latency I guess.

No one has answered this yet.

If Thunder is still on the target when I'm in umbral and has a decent amount of time left on it (say, 10+ seconds), should I refresh it in anyways or cast something else? If I should cast something else, should it be Blizzard I?

I would and do cast Blizzard I in that case. Who knows, you might get another thunder proc during your fire cycle.

[Zerosix]

Why do this instead of just using your proc on the end of your fire cycle though? You lose a quick cast fire 1 and the firestarter proc basically. Not sure if it's worth it.

You would have to stop casting and pause to see if you got the proc to use it BEFORE blizzard 3. This is most likely a loss. If you use the proc without convert it still activates the GCD and you will not get quick cast fire 1 anyway because the fire 3 will land before the gcd completes. So honestly it is just a way to get a couple hundred damage more out of the proc since you have to use it anyway.

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If you canceled the blizzard 3 like you mention in the next post. The 1 second you are losing by jump canceling blizzard 3 probably makes canceling not worth it at that point. So why not take the free damage?

[HoroBoro]

So why not take the free damage?

Well... Because I feel like there's more free damage to be had with an astral 3 fire 3 and a quickened fire 1 even though I lose 1 sec of cast time (if even that).

Could be wrong - never tested it.