Scholars - missing the point

[Hysterior]

I would like to have more SCH perspectives on Titan and advices.
Anyone?

[PiedPiper]

I would like to have more SCH perspectives on Titan and advices.
Anyone?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Scholar-Guide

There you go.

[peaches]

Peaches...where is the other healer? o_O Why are you the only one covering the tank and the raid? o_O

I try to discuss healing roles with other healers, and they just tell me to go free for all. So when the tank announced Buster incoming and I see his health dropping rapidly before the attack even comes in I do everything I can because I don't know what the other healer is doing. If I don't go all out on that, and the other healer fails to perform then the tank dies from lack of heals. I just treat everything as if I'm healing solo usually, while hoping the other healer does his job as well

[BrodyAlgana]

I don't know why some scholars complain about it a lot and some don't. Normally, as a white mage, I work with another white mage in our FC, but he has been working extra last week or so, last night we needed a healer for an Ifrit HM run for a couple of our new 50s. We used a scholar. I was shocked, othen a medica after the nails and a couple cures here and there on the tank. I didn't have to do anything. Thier shields blocked crap loads of damage. It wasn't like he was using physick or anything and jsut doing it before me, people just weren't taking the damage. Clearly he knew how to play scholar - made me want to try it out even more (currently at arcanist 28).

[YanDere]

I don't know why some scholars complain about it a lot and some don't. Normally, as a white mage, I work with another white mage in our FC, but he has been working extra last week or so, last night we needed a healer for an Ifrit HM run for a couple of our new 50s. We used a scholar. I was shocked, othen a medica after the nails and a couple cures here and there on the tank. I didn't have to do anything. Thier shields blocked crap loads of damage. It wasn't like he was using physick or anything and jsut doing it before me, people just weren't taking the damage. Clearly he knew how to play scholar - made me want to try it out even more (currently at arcanist 28).

Well, you were quite cruel, battling the poor little Ifrit with the powahful couple SCH-WHM XD
With Titan, there is a far greater difference between 2WHM and SCH-WHM, because 2WHM end up overlapping their heals and messing up things, while a SCH can also buff dps or hps.

[LiadansWhisper]

I try to discuss healing roles with other healers, and they just tell me to go free for all. So when the tank announced Buster incoming and I see his health dropping rapidly before the attack even comes in I do everything I can because I don't know what the other healer is doing. If I don't go all out on that, and the other healer fails to perform then the tank dies from lack of heals. I just treat everything as if I'm healing solo usually, while hoping the other healer does his job as well

Wait, so were you pugging this fight? Because that's the only situation in which I can imagine a co-healer being like, "Yeah, whatever, dude, I don't want to do my job correctly and I don't want you to do your job correctly, either."

If you were pugging the fight, stop. If you weren't pugging the fight, slug your co-healer in the face. Healing is a team sport, and if the other healer in your raid isn't a team player, they need a knuckle sandwich. What should have happened is...you pre-shield the tank, and set him up for the mountain buster. The WHM in your group Stoneskins the tank (if possible) and stands ready with a Cure II or Cure III (I guess if it's realllllly scary) to immediately burst him back up from the brink. If you know the fight, you can actually work with Titan's cast/swing timers to make sure the cast goes off right as the damage goes out.

[LordNarmo]

SCHs prevent damage, whereas WHMs cure damage. As simple as that.

[YanDere]

SCHs prevent damage, whereas WHMs cure damage. As simple as that.

To be more precise:
WHM heal a lot, prevent slowly, don't buff.
SCH heal well enough but faster, prevent a little less but a lot faster, and buff by a whole lot dps and hps.
WHM is "I keep you alive"
SCH is "I get the best out of you while supporting your HPs"
They both are fantastic jobs, I love them <3

[Alu79]

To be more precise:
WHM heal a lot, prevent slowly, don't buff.
SCH heal well enough but faster, prevent a little less but a lot faster, and buff by a whole lot dps and hps.
WHM is "I keep you alive"
SCH is "I get the best out of you while supporting your HPs"
They both are fantastic jobs, I love them <3

Can you explain the buff by a whole lot dps/hps? What buffs? Eos heal potency buff for 20% on a 2 minute cd or Selene spell speed OR skill speed (never both at same time) for a measly 30% of your spell/skill speed stat? You know that Selene's buff is based on the stat on your character sheet, it is not comparable to Blood Lust from WoW.. It looks at your stat and adds 30% to it. It isn't much at all to be frank.

Also, how do we heal faster? We heal for less if multiple people have taken dmg so it takes us longer to top someone off. If we are talking a single person then sure we probably will if we chain Phys+Embrace.
It would be more accurate to say we heal less than a WHM, prevent a lot more than a WHM, and sometimes buff a bit if we have Selene out.

Also, you will only ever have one of those buffs active at any given time.

[BrodyAlgana]

I am going to get flamed for this, but... since I have run with some GODLY Scholars ... maybe its just some scholars don't get the point of thier job or don't know their job that well. Oh right... that was the point of this thread :P

One thing they all seem to agree on is.. pet UI needs improving so do that... but anything else really changes the point ...