Scholars - missing the point

[LiadansWhisper]

If that is the case you would be using nothing except Adlo. You use Adlo once, the next hit will use up the bubble, which means you have to use it again. That's like 400-600mp blown in two hits (can't remember exact cost).

Adlo is the only spell effect other than Stoneskin that gives Effective Health. Unlike Stoneskin, it can Crit and scales independently from tank gear.

And actually, while I'm on the subject...

Adlo and Succor are not meant to be spammed. That is why their price is high. Like Medica, Medica II, Cure III and even Cure II (depending on gear level), they are meant to be spells you use under certain circumstances.

White Mages and Scholars are good at different things, and this is intentional. If Scholar were as good at straight up healing as White Mages are, no one would bring anything else. Why would you? You'd have a Scholar who brings extra DPS + Effective Health + Amazing Healing + great mana regen. So why would you ever bring a White Mage, who has only one spell with a long cast for Effective Health, no other bubbles, can't really DPS and heal at the same time due to...mana concerns. Yeah, all they have going for them is rocking healing. If you give that to Scholars, there's no reason to bring White Mages. Ever.

Part of being an Effective Health healer is learning the phases of a fight. It means knowing when you need to get your bubbles out, and when it's safe to let the other healer (or healers) heal up the damage that's already been taken. Healers whose focus is on Effective Health do not do well in content they have not yet learned, because bubbles really only shine when you put them out before the damage happens. Which requires you to know the fight. However, once you know when that incoming damage is going to happen, you're untouchable.

Again, Adlo and Succor are not meant to be spammed. That's why they're expensive. They're meant to be used at the right time during a fight.

[peaches]

Adlo is the only spell effect other than Stoneskin that gives Effective Health. Unlike Stoneskin, it can Crit and scales independently from tank gear.

I know how it works, it just seems a little underwhelming for the cost, unless you crit. And most of our gear has spellspeed over crit. I probably wouldn't have any complaints about Adlo if I could get a nice high crit rate, but until I get full Vanya and slot it with all crit materia there's not much I can do. Does Succor benefit from the double bubble on crit? I remember seeing a thread about it, but never saw if there was a definitive answer. If our bubbles rely on crit, I feel our class should have more use for crit than just Adlo and or Succor, like maybe giving Physick some kind of proc on a crit as well.

Because seriously, I can literally SPAM Physick over and over and over, and it takes forever to run out of mp. If I manually spam Embrace sometimes I only have to Physick once in a while, letting me regen more MP than I use. If I were to make sure the tank ALWAYS had Adlo on him I would run out of mp so quick, even with a bard around.

[Alu79]

I know how it works, it just seems a little underwhelming for the cost, unless you crit. And most of our gear has spellspeed over crit. I probably wouldn't have any complaints about Adlo if I could get a nice high crit rate, but until I get full Vanya and slot it with all crit materia there's not much I can do. Does Succor benefit from the double bubble on crit? I remember seeing a thread about it, but never saw if there was a definitive answer. If our bubbles rely on crit, I feel our class should have more use for crit than just Adlo and or Succor, like maybe giving Physick some kind of proc on a crit as well.

Because seriously, I can literally SPAM Physick over and over and over, and it takes forever to run out of mp. If I manually spam Embrace sometimes I only have to Physick once in a while, letting me regen more MP than I use. If I were to make sure the tank ALWAYS had Adlo on him I would run out of mp so quick, even with a bard around.

Succor does not get double shield power from critting, only Adlo.

[LiadansWhisper]

I know how it works, it just seems a little underwhelming for the cost, unless you crit. And most of our gear has spellspeed over crit. I probably wouldn't have any complaints about Adlo if I could get a nice high crit rate, but until I get full Vanya and slot it with all crit materia there's not much I can do. Does Succor benefit from the double bubble on crit? I remember seeing a thread about it, but never saw if there was a definitive answer. If our bubbles rely on crit, I feel our class should have more use for crit than just Adlo and or Succor, like maybe giving Physick some kind of proc on a crit as well.

Because seriously, I can literally SPAM Physick over and over and over, and it takes forever to run out of mp. If I manually spam Embrace sometimes I only have to Physick once in a while, letting me regen more MP than I use. If I were to make sure the tank ALWAYS had Adlo on him I would run out of mp so quick, even with a bard around.

But you're not supposed to be able to spam Adlo or Succor. That's why they're expensive. That's also why you can spam Physick for forever - you're supposed to be able to. And they are likely factoring Embrace in to cover the "need" for a "Cure II" type heal (i.e. Physick + Embrace would be roughly equivalent to Cure II, probably a bit less considering Embrace is free).

4k? Um, I don't think those are accurate numbers :x

Had an Adlo crit for about 860 today, which is a...1720 shield? I'm not in the best gear, though, I just got my SCH to 50 finally today. lol.

[peaches]

I know, and I understand this. That was mostly a reply to Maku who said he constantly keeps Adlo on the tank. It's much too expensive for that.

I understand HOW to use Adlo and I don't have any problem with healing, I'm just saying that we don't really match our description as preventative healers. We don't bubble anywhere near often enough to be defined by it - like some of you have said, its something you can use to catch up on your healing, like a Cure II, or when there isn't super high damage to get a break for a second, similar to Regen.

I love my Scholar and my fairy, but there really isn't much to healing right now. 90% of the time, you do nothing but Physick. Adlo is used on occasion, Lustrate is our panic button, or a quick way to top off someone without spending much time curing. I don't know, I just feel like healing in general (I haven't got very far into Conjurer yet mind) is lacking.

"Spam Physick" isn't exactly a complex healing system. I've said this in another post, but I really feel that we need a bit of a second look.

First, we need traits that actually affect us as a Scholar - and not just the generic "increase damage and healing by 10%" traits. We need out INT traits to turn into Mind, of even Piety, or something. We need more mechanics. Change Sacred Soil to make it either so when you are under the effects of SS your next is a succor is double potency, and possibly free, or only the people under the effects of FF get the double potency, or guaranteed crit.

Currently the 20% free Succor is.. Nice, I guess - a free Succor is always good - 20% chance isn't really an incentive to use SS. This change would give SS a really good reason to use it. Right now, while it DOES have it's use, in general I find myself saving my Aetherflow for Lustrate, and using the extra stacks I have when the Aetherflow CD comes up on Energy Drain to top off my MP along with the 20% mp from Aether. 10% damage reduction IS nice, but this change would go a long way to making us TRUE preventative healers. Imagine, you could actually prevent 1/4-1/2 of the damage of a Tummult. It would make us have an AoE heal on par with Medica 2, and it would take an Aetherflow stack so it has a fairly heavy cost, plus the time it takes to place SS. Not to mention the 30s CD on SS, so its not like we could spam and abuse this, it would be something you do to prepare for massive AoE damage.

Going along with our theme of Crits, I really think we need more use of crit chance than just Adlo. It seems like a lot of stats to invest in for ONE ability. I suggest there be a trait, or something that gives Physick - the move we use 80-90% of the time - a 10-15% chance to... possibly give us a guaranteed crit on the next Adlo, and maybe free?

I know a lot of people will say these suggested changes would make us OP, but really I think they would just make us on par with WHMs, just in our own way. Currently most content is able to be solo healed by a WHM, or a dual Scholar team, but (most likely) impossible to solo heal as a Scholar, and very, very difficult for dual Scholars. You can do it if everybody plays perfectly and avoids AoE as much as possible, but trying to heal up massive AoE damage takes quite a few Succors, which eats your MP. You can't really count on Eos' Whispering Dawn either, because 90% of the time she blows the cooldown, or even if she doesn't she often gets knocked around the field, and it can be difficult to place her while concentrating on healing everyone back up.