Scholars - missing the point

[peaches]

Adlo is the only spell effect other than Stoneskin that gives Effective Health. Unlike Stoneskin, it can Crit and scales independently from tank gear.

I know how it works, it just seems a little underwhelming for the cost, unless you crit. And most of our gear has spellspeed over crit. I probably wouldn't have any complaints about Adlo if I could get a nice high crit rate, but until I get full Vanya and slot it with all crit materia there's not much I can do. Does Succor benefit from the double bubble on crit? I remember seeing a thread about it, but never saw if there was a definitive answer. If our bubbles rely on crit, I feel our class should have more use for crit than just Adlo and or Succor, like maybe giving Physick some kind of proc on a crit as well.

Because seriously, I can literally SPAM Physick over and over and over, and it takes forever to run out of mp. If I manually spam Embrace sometimes I only have to Physick once in a while, letting me regen more MP than I use. If I were to make sure the tank ALWAYS had Adlo on him I would run out of mp so quick, even with a bard around.

[Alu79]

I know how it works, it just seems a little underwhelming for the cost, unless you crit. And most of our gear has spellspeed over crit. I probably wouldn't have any complaints about Adlo if I could get a nice high crit rate, but until I get full Vanya and slot it with all crit materia there's not much I can do. Does Succor benefit from the double bubble on crit? I remember seeing a thread about it, but never saw if there was a definitive answer. If our bubbles rely on crit, I feel our class should have more use for crit than just Adlo and or Succor, like maybe giving Physick some kind of proc on a crit as well.

Because seriously, I can literally SPAM Physick over and over and over, and it takes forever to run out of mp. If I manually spam Embrace sometimes I only have to Physick once in a while, letting me regen more MP than I use. If I were to make sure the tank ALWAYS had Adlo on him I would run out of mp so quick, even with a bard around.

Succor does not get double shield power from critting, only Adlo.

[Miridori]

You use Adlo when u are behind in healing. It is basically a Cure II because the shield will absorb some dmg and the next Physick and Embrace will top tank off.
You can also use it to prevent incoming dmg if you know when it is coming (Titan's big swipe, MB,....Ifrit's Fire breath).
Or you can use it on low hp people (under geared or under weakness) to prevent death from unavoidable dmg.
The skill is expensive because when it crit, it is like a 3-4k effective hp for tank. It is also a temporary Hp boost that has lower cast time and more versatile than Stone skin.

[LiadansWhisper]

I know how it works, it just seems a little underwhelming for the cost, unless you crit. And most of our gear has spellspeed over crit. I probably wouldn't have any complaints about Adlo if I could get a nice high crit rate, but until I get full Vanya and slot it with all crit materia there's not much I can do. Does Succor benefit from the double bubble on crit? I remember seeing a thread about it, but never saw if there was a definitive answer. If our bubbles rely on crit, I feel our class should have more use for crit than just Adlo and or Succor, like maybe giving Physick some kind of proc on a crit as well.

Because seriously, I can literally SPAM Physick over and over and over, and it takes forever to run out of mp. If I manually spam Embrace sometimes I only have to Physick once in a while, letting me regen more MP than I use. If I were to make sure the tank ALWAYS had Adlo on him I would run out of mp so quick, even with a bard around.

But you're not supposed to be able to spam Adlo or Succor. That's why they're expensive. That's also why you can spam Physick for forever - you're supposed to be able to. And they are likely factoring Embrace in to cover the "need" for a "Cure II" type heal (i.e. Physick + Embrace would be roughly equivalent to Cure II, probably a bit less considering Embrace is free).

4k? Um, I don't think those are accurate numbers :x

Had an Adlo crit for about 860 today, which is a...1720 shield? I'm not in the best gear, though, I just got my SCH to 50 finally today. lol.

[Alu79]

You use Adlo when u are behind in healing. It is basically a Cure II because the shield will absorb some dmg and the next Physick and Embrace will top tank off.
You can also use it to prevent incoming dmg if you know when it is coming (Titan's big swipe, MB,....Ifrit's Fire breath).
Or you can use it on low hp people (under geared or under weakness) to prevent death from unavoidable dmg.
The skill is expensive because when it crit, it is like a 3-4k effective hp for tank. It is also a temporary Hp boost that has lower cast time and more versatile than Stone skin.

4k? Um, I don't think those are accurate numbers :x

[Miridori]

4k? Um, I don't think those are accurate numbers :x

My Adlo already crit for around 1k1 and that is just full DL and Relic +1. I imagine getting 4k with some allagan and myth pieces ( which a lot of people already have) is very possible

[peaches]

I know, and I understand this. That was mostly a reply to Maku who said he constantly keeps Adlo on the tank. It's much too expensive for that.

I understand HOW to use Adlo and I don't have any problem with healing, I'm just saying that we don't really match our description as preventative healers. We don't bubble anywhere near often enough to be defined by it - like some of you have said, its something you can use to catch up on your healing, like a Cure II, or when there isn't super high damage to get a break for a second, similar to Regen.

I love my Scholar and my fairy, but there really isn't much to healing right now. 90% of the time, you do nothing but Physick. Adlo is used on occasion, Lustrate is our panic button, or a quick way to top off someone without spending much time curing. I don't know, I just feel like healing in general (I haven't got very far into Conjurer yet mind) is lacking.

"Spam Physick" isn't exactly a complex healing system. I've said this in another post, but I really feel that we need a bit of a second look.

First, we need traits that actually affect us as a Scholar - and not just the generic "increase damage and healing by 10%" traits. We need out INT traits to turn into Mind, of even Piety, or something. We need more mechanics. Change Sacred Soil to make it either so when you are under the effects of SS your next is a succor is double potency, and possibly free, or only the people under the effects of FF get the double potency, or guaranteed crit.

Currently the 20% free Succor is.. Nice, I guess - a free Succor is always good - 20% chance isn't really an incentive to use SS. This change would give SS a really good reason to use it. Right now, while it DOES have it's use, in general I find myself saving my Aetherflow for Lustrate, and using the extra stacks I have when the Aetherflow CD comes up on Energy Drain to top off my MP along with the 20% mp from Aether. 10% damage reduction IS nice, but this change would go a long way to making us TRUE preventative healers. Imagine, you could actually prevent 1/4-1/2 of the damage of a Tummult. It would make us have an AoE heal on par with Medica 2, and it would take an Aetherflow stack so it has a fairly heavy cost, plus the time it takes to place SS. Not to mention the 30s CD on SS, so its not like we could spam and abuse this, it would be something you do to prepare for massive AoE damage.

Going along with our theme of Crits, I really think we need more use of crit chance than just Adlo. It seems like a lot of stats to invest in for ONE ability. I suggest there be a trait, or something that gives Physick - the move we use 80-90% of the time - a 10-15% chance to... possibly give us a guaranteed crit on the next Adlo, and maybe free?

I know a lot of people will say these suggested changes would make us OP, but really I think they would just make us on par with WHMs, just in our own way. Currently most content is able to be solo healed by a WHM, or a dual Scholar team, but (most likely) impossible to solo heal as a Scholar, and very, very difficult for dual Scholars. You can do it if everybody plays perfectly and avoids AoE as much as possible, but trying to heal up massive AoE damage takes quite a few Succors, which eats your MP. You can't really count on Eos' Whispering Dawn either, because 90% of the time she blows the cooldown, or even if she doesn't she often gets knocked around the field, and it can be difficult to place her while concentrating on healing everyone back up.

[Espon]

Not sure why you're so worried about MP. We're not white mages, we can be lot more generous when it comes to healing. Sure if you sit there spamming Adloquium and Succor you'll run out quickly, but that's why those aren't our only two spells. I can easily keep up Succor up most of the time against Titan as long as I'm using Aetherflow on cooldown and tossing the occasional Energy Drain if I run low. I usually use Adloquium on the tank if two or more people took damage so I can buy myself a little more time to heal them, or if a big hit is coming. Normal Physick and Embrace are just fine, which you should always be casting, specifically Embrace since it costs no MP.

[peaches]

I'm usually not worries about MP, but there have been a lot of circumstances where I have gone OOM. Most of them are in bad groups where people are wiping and I'm wasting MP on 2-5 Resurrections, or the other healer is dead and I'm trying to keep the tank and the party alive through heavy damage, or both lol.

In Titan, I'm scared to use my Aetherflow stacks on anything other than Lustrate. People will always get hit a few times by something and need a quick pop, but for the most part its the Mountain Buster, or what ever it's called. When I did Titan we had a Warrior tank, and he announced on Vent when he was about to use Buster. When he announced it was incoming I noticed there was intense damage where I essentially had to spam Embrace and Physick as fast as I could to ensure he was at full health before it hit, and try to Adlo before the hit too, and save Lustrate for when it DOES hit, to get him up from the 1000 or so health it leaves him with. I'm not the most experienced in that fight, but sometimes it seems like he only does Buster once, sometimes two or more times in the span of a a minute or two it feels like. I've been in the situation where I was running low-ish on MP from curing Tummults, had just used my Aetherflow stacks healing up from a Buster then popped Aether's CD, used it on someone hit by the mechanics, then have one or no stacks of Aetherflow left, Aether on 30s + CD, and the tank announced another Buster incoming, and all I can do is think "Oh Sh**...", and try to keep him cured up as much as possible.

When there's a bard around of course I never have to worry about MP, no matter how much I cure, but I can't/don't like relying on them. Too often there is only one bard and he dies from some mechanics and I'll need to blow my Swiftcast and a chunk of my MP rezzing the other healer or something, and be left with not much MP to cure with. I know my problems are caused by players making mistakes, but still, it happens often enough for it to be a concern.

[LiadansWhisper]

In Titan, I'm scared to use my Aetherflow stacks on anything other than Lustrate. People will always get hit a few times by something and need a quick pop, but for the most part its the Mountain Buster, or what ever it's called. When I did Titan we had a Warrior tank, and he announced on Vent when he was about to use Buster. When he announced it was incoming I noticed there was intense damage where I essentially had to spam Embrace and Physick as fast as I could to ensure he was at full health before it hit, and try to Adlo before the hit too, and save Lustrate for when it DOES hit, to get him up from the 1000 or so health it leaves him with. I'm not the most experienced in that fight, but sometimes it seems like he only does Buster once, sometimes two or more times in the span of a a minute or two it feels like. I've been in the situation where I was running low-ish on MP from curing Tummults, had just used my Aetherflow stacks healing up from a Buster then popped Aether's CD, used it on someone hit by the mechanics, then have one or no stacks of Aetherflow left, Aether on 30s + CD, and the tank announced another Buster incoming, and all I can do is think "Oh Sh**...", and try to keep him cured up as much as possible.

Peaches...where is the other healer? o_O Why are you the only one covering the tank and the raid? o_O