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    ApolloGenX's Avatar
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    Galen Amaranthe
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    ^^ Agree with the above... plus the Adloquium heal+shield works well with the pet heal at the same time for a nice sized tank heal/shield.

    The SCH has more reliable, more readily available tank healing abilities... the whm has CDs to help deal with it, but the SCH toolset/pet is imo better for tank healing.

    Depending on length of fight, non-procced Cure 2s eat mana, but SCH can keep up sustainable tank healing forever without a bard.
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    DenzelTaru's Avatar
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    Denzel Taru
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    Quote Originally Posted by KomoChameleon View Post
    Aside from the double stacking of bubbles argument I feel a lot of scholars are entirely missing the point of the class. If the devs gave you equal healing to WHM's you would be incredibly OP
    Took my FC members to Hydra > Ifrit > Garuda.. We had a PUG WHM from outside Hydra.. His HPS was 106.. mine was 146 + 64 from pet.. I agree with you, we are not a heal face hits job but when you have such terrible support as i did today, i do a very good job of healing face too lol.. just requires alot more planning of your aetherflow stacks leaving some free for energy drains
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    Tucker Salveran
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    Lustrate can be used almost 3 times in a single global. This means a SCH (if they used all Aetherflow on Lustrate) gets a 60 percent HP heal over a single global every 60 seconds compared to a WHM 5 min CD. No Comparison. Also the shield from Adlo and Succor DOUBLE when there is a Crit so if you crit Adlo for 1100 (My Average Crit on a Paladin) the Shield is 2200 making the effective Heal 3300 with 2200 of that being impossible to overheal.

    Combine that with the fact that Rouse+Whispering Dawn -> Sacred Soil -> Virus with Eye for an Eye thrown in any time its off CD can make it so the tank recieves ~ 10 percent less dmg for all but 6 seconds in a minute.

    Also I am not sure how much a WHM's Cure is in Coil level gear but Adlo for me on average is around 750 with a 750 shield making it about 1500 + Fairy Embrace for about 700ish at the same time. That's 2300 in a Global.

    If you think SCH aren't just as good at tank healing as a WHM or better you simply dont know SCH.
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    Garnatian's Avatar
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    Gaust Euler
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Saiyanbob View Post
    Lustrate can be used almost 3 times in a single global. This means a SCH (if they used all Aetherflow on Lustrate) gets a 60 percent HP heal over a single global every 60 seconds compared to a WHM 5 min CD. No Comparison. Also the shield from Adlo and Succor DOUBLE when there is a Crit so if you crit Adlo for 1100 (My Average Crit on a Paladin) the Shield is 2200 making the effective Heal 3300 with 2200 of that being impossible to overheal.

    Combine that with the fact that Rouse+Whispering Dawn -> Sacred Soil -> Virus with Eye for an Eye thrown in any time its off CD can make it so the tank recieves ~ 10 percent less dmg for all but 6 seconds in a minute.

    Also I am not sure how much a WHM's Cure is in Coil level gear but Adlo for me on average is around 750 with a 750 shield making it about 1500 + Fairy Embrace for about 700ish at the same time. That's 2300 in a Global.

    If you think SCH aren't just as good at tank healing as a WHM or better you simply dont know SCH.
    Succor doesn't double, only Adlo.

    Embrace isn't on the GCD, it's longer by around 0.6s depending on your gear. That and the fact that you either have to not be healing, or have used an instant to use it on your desired target and then you have to take into account that it requires an extra button press, in no way is it 2 Heals in 2 GCD.

    Why are you comparing Cure and Adlo? It's Cure 2 you should compare it with and if you compare it, Cure II has a potency of 650 and costs less MP while Adlo has a potency of 600.

    In terms of Tank healing, SCH and WHM are on par, it's the disparity in AoE healing that is the main issue.

    The main issue with abilities that can simultaneously heal and shield is that fact that chaining the abilities yields to inefficient results since in most cases, by the time the 2nd cast has finished, the shield will still exist on the target. Now, the way you get around this is to simply allow for a heal that has a smaller potency, but no shield which is exactly what they did for Adlo by having Physick, however for some strange reason, they completely forgot about it for Succor meaning chain casting Succor just leads to very inefficient results so what SCH need is essnetially an AoE Physick the same way that Succor is an AoE Adlo.
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    Last edited by Garnatian; 10-14-2013 at 04:44 AM.


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    sosowie's Avatar
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    Pepinot Foret
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    Balmung
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    Conjurer Lv 36
    Obey requires that you first have a mob targeted. In Obey, a faerie will cast Embrace and (unfortunately) Whispering Dawn on her own.
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    Alistair Adfectus
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    Quote Originally Posted by sosowie View Post
    Obey requires that you first have a mob targeted. In Obey, a faerie will cast Embrace and (unfortunately) Whispering Dawn on her own.

    Use Steady, she will only use Embrace.
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    Garnatian's Avatar
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    Gaust Euler
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by JonFarron View Post
    Use Steady, she will only use Embrace.
    Pretty worthless. She "un-steadys" if you try to use Embrace. So you lose out on healing either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by eronaile View Post
    How do I prevent fairies from using certain skills automatically? I tried to use 'Obey' command but it just pops up the error message 'Invalid target'.
    If I draw their skills in my own skill bars, do they still use them automatically?
    You have to target an enemy.
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    Melithea Tinvelle
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    Ultros
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    SCH shouldn't be as good at healing as WHM. If they are, something is wrong because then WHM is obsolete.
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    Jesal Ghost
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Melithea View Post
    SCH shouldn't be as good at healing as WHM. If they are, something is wrong because then WHM is obsolete.
    Really? because SCH's don't fill a "healer role" they fill the backseat healer role, obviously next to a whm. Lets change the duty finder people. 1 Tank, 2 dps 1 WHM, and a backseat healer.
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    Lusian Royalt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melithea View Post
    SCH shouldn't be as good at healing as WHM. If they are, something is wrong because then WHM is obsolete.
    Here we go...
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