Our characters are evil, main quest proves it.

[Nialle]

I'm going to predict that our characters have a lot in common with the Ascians (in terms of powers, being Forged by their patron crystal, etc), only their crystal (Zodiark?) has a different aim than ours (Hydaelyn) does. For all we know, unless it's ever said outright that our characters actually came from somewhere specific, that we may even be constructs made specifically to do Hydaelyn's will.

Wouldn't that be a trip. =P

[Sifrid]

The Crystals concept in Final Fantasy has always been about balance. However, players only get to see the side of the story for the perspective of the Warriors of Light. The Warriors of Dark and the Dark Crystals are NEVER evil. Many times, in the past, civilizations tried to over utilize "light" and the Warriors of Dark were called in two reset the balance; so in Final Fantasy, light can overstep it's bounds too. It's like Yin-Yang... If Darkness begins to take advantage, Warriors of Light are created to push the Darkness Back. If Light begins to take advantage, Warriors of Dark are created to push darkness back. Zodiark may be the Dark Crystal.

[PSxpert2011]

From a consequentialistic and utilitarian moral philosophy standpoint - Gaius is a decent man trying to do good. He is from an ethical perspective - a good person.

And what does our character do? LEAVE HIM FOR DEAD. But hey, lets save Thancred.

Leaving Gaius to die just shows we are not better than them. First I cant join Gaius, then I must leave him behind lol.

Well. Guess thats it. Thoughts?

Saving someone who's innocent and leaving someone "evil" is just the way war is.

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You can't question someone morality over reason. We saved Thancred for one reason, he's innocent and wasn't consciously part of any evil scheme. Gaius in the other hand is a "grow-ass man", fully aware in mind and body and took responsibility for his actions. Heck, he didn't even fear for his death and pain the price. How many people in this culture can you point out that has been responsible for their actions.

His is just "my two cents", I'm not expecting you or anyone else to agree or understand. In eastern cultures, challenges were made for the sake of status, fame and honor. Sometimes it was for wealth and respect, everyone knew this and respected tradition and held their honor. Sometimes wars were either fought over honor and political reasons but as patriotic as every can claim they were, it basically loyalty and honor(but that's a different topic, I digress).
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Gaius was the captain of his ship and went down with it, no reason to mix Thancred as part of his crew.

[Nymina]

OP is right that we are the evil ones, though his argument doesn't prove it. I believe there was a posting by someone on this board describing this. I'll post it here when I find it Anyway, Supposedly, as the Lore goes, the Ascians and the primals were on the planet first. Hydaelyn came later, almost as an intruder to the planet, and screwed everything over after her arrival. The Ascians are presumably trying to put things back to how they were before the giant crystal came and took their world away from them. Hydaelyn calls upon us to keep the Ascians from taking their planet back and turning everything back to a time before she arrived.

Edit: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ure-of-Ascians

That's like saying that just because you have slave masters as ancestors 200 years ago, you are thus just as bad as them. Thine logic is flawed madam.

[ajx]

Gaius : Lawful evil
Ascians : Chaotic evil

As simple as that

[Toranja]

Gaius : Lawful evil
Ascians : Chaotic evil

As simple as that

Lahabrea states he is out to restore order by awakening his God and that Hydaelin is the cause of the imbalances. Doesn't sound very chaotic to me.

By the way, he is just making his case, stating his view. For all we know and judge, the World was in balance when Hydaelin was the only one running the show.

[Rannie]

Lahabrea states he is out to restore order by awakening his God and that Hydaelin is the cause of the imbalances. Doesn't sound very chaotic to me.

By the way, he is just making his case, stating his view. For all we know and judge, the World was in balance when Hydaelin was the only one running the show.

yes but he states that how he has to do it is through chaos and destruction.

A chaotic evil character does whatever his greed, hatred, and lust for destruction drive him to do. He is hot-tempered, vicious, arbitrarily violent, and unpredictable. If he is simply out for whatever he can get, he is ruthless and brutal. If he is committed to the spread of evil and chaos, he is even worse. Thankfully, his plans are haphazard, and any groups he joins or forms are poorly organized. Typically, chaotic evil people can be made to work together only by force, and their leader lasts only as long as he can thwart attempts to topple or assassinate him.


Chaotic evil is sometimes called "demonic" because demons are the epitome of chaotic evil.


Chaotic evil beings believe their alignment is the best because it combines self-interest and pure freedom.


Chaotic evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents the destruction not only of beauty and life but also of the order on which beauty and life depend.


The major precepts of this alignment are freedom, randomness, and woe. Laws and order, kindness, and good deeds are disdained. Life has no value. By promoting chaos and evil, those of this alignment hope to bring themselves to positions of power, glory, and prestige in a system ruled by individual caprice and their own whim. The chaotic evil creature holds that individual freedom and choice is important, and that other individuals and their freedoms are unimportant if they cannot be held by the individuals through their own strength and merit. Thus, law and order rends to promote not individuals but groups, and groups suppress individual volition and success.

http://easydamus.com/chaoticevil.html

[Toranja]

True. Their methods are very chaotic. Ultima was a good show for that. To create a new order, ones does have to destroy the reigning one.

[Vydos]

Chaotic evil looks like a good description for the Ascians.

Gaius is just "evil" because he has a different view and is loyal to the empire. Even if it means killing innocent people in the process.

But Ascians...Yeah I consider them evil. Especially if you got one of them all too happy to see Bahamut laying waste, destroying landscapes, manipulating people, possessing people. And even more destruction by trying to bring back the ancient magic Ultima...

Yeah, he's pretty evil in my books lol. Gaius on the other hand is simply evil because he blindly follows the orders of the empire. But he seems fine with avoiding bloodshed if the possibility is there. Without being someone to double-cross said person afterwards after promising stuff.

[Vanguard319]

As awesome as Gaius is, his worldview is essentially Darwinian: Might makes right, and only the strong should rule (and by strong, I mean through force and conquest) He acknowledges that you have the strength to be a ruler if you wanted, but people with this mindset rarely bow to greater strength, they just seek greater power. Even if you had rescued him, he would have redoubled his efforts to conquer Eorzea to prove his right to rule.