End game... Bored. The facts.

[Strelnikov]

End game is what makes or breaks an MMO for me, if an MMO doesn't get it right lots of players usually leave. This game has a ton of casual players though so it may not hurt that much

Probably a mistake that I played this game from what I'm seeing, way too many casual players for my taste

EQ is still running, if you are interested, Fippy Darkpaw expansion server is only up to level 75, out of 100 and 1400 AA I think. I think people forget that it is extremely rare for a fully fleshed MMO to hit the net without having thousands and thousands of casuals to foot the bill for raiding content end gamers.

I would love nothing more than this game focusing on end game large number raids. You get people extremely excited when the casual players watch 60 players port up in groups to the planes. I don't know what this end game holds in store, but there is nothing like a full raid dragon kill.

[Kaedan94]

I can't believe no one is discussing how bad AK is now

I understand they don't want fresh 50's doing speed runs through AK and gearing out relic in a day...but this is ridiculous. I'm watching kids in full df with relic +1 wipe to the wall constantly, and the bees now take an hour to go down. Why? All this is doing is making a crappy number check even crappier. It's not upping the difficulty, its an arbitrary shift into Binding Coil so end gamers will gear around AK instead of through it. This is awful.

Huh? AK's difficulty wasn't increased. The wall and bees are no different than they were before. Only thing that changed in AK was the number of ToP.

WP was changed so that you have to kill the Tonberries and collect their oil in order to open the doors to prevent speed runs.

[zaviermhigo]

While maybe not put in the best way, I agree with OP, spamming this crap is boring, but....that's what most mmos break down to, it'd just be nice if anything in this game was actually hard, instead of "hard because of few party members suck." I can deal with it, but honestly I wish there was more other eventually boring stuff to do to even it out. Like an endgame zone with stuff like "ffxi's campaign" running, something that actual affects the world in a minute way, fight them back and less will come next time, don't fight em back for a while, hoardes. Different types of content besides "queue up for instance, either 4 man or 8" will help break a little bit of the monotony imo.

[SchalaZeal]

I see you don't play this game, I am literally unable to gear up more than 1 job in gear past darklight/crafted and unable to do coil more than once per week, and 1 turn per job. Where exactly do I spend the rest of my game time after the 1 hour of coil turn 1- > 4 then the 1-2 hours of garuda farming to finish my myth tomes?

Your guess is as good as mine. To me, who plays 60-80 hours a week. Getting to Mythology cap and (eventually) going Coil once on all turns, is plenty in a week.

I also like to socialize with the FC, enjoy my hangover while crafting some, go fish in plenty of locations just for the heck of it, do tome-farming (philosophy mainly) runs with FC people, run story-content to help FC people. And also devise ways and plans and schemes in order to make efficient, yet not soul-crushing, legit money. Because I'll have to buy a FC house. No time to get bored, imagine that.

[Vhailor]

This is basically one of those arguments saying that oh, I came in undergeared and got carried. So because I did it, you should too. Bzzt wrong. being gimped with gear is a problem. Means that your cures aren't doing enough and it means that your tanks have to have higher EHP to compensate. While it is a good way to spread the monotony around, it's not 100% feasible for everyone. I can't go into stuff being undergeared as a tank without feeling guilty. Means that due to my laziness and whatever bullshit reason I throw out, people should have to carry more than their share of the weight? Full DL is overkill for AK, but a couple is a joke. A ring and a bracelet?

Personally I feel guilty if I don't pull my own weight, but apparently not everyone does.

Yes, because clearly if nobody died I wasn't pulling my own weight, right? Yes, tanks and DD have it worse, but certainly not enough worse to require 55 CM runs prior to AK in the first place. There's a huge difference between 'pulling your own weight' and 'being over-geared enough so that nobody has to work at all'. Just because you're not geared enough to speed-run in 25 minutes instead of 26 minutes like that other PLD or WAR or whatever doesn't mean you aren't pulling your own weight; don't be an idiot.

I can't believe how frequently people equate not being the 'best' with being a failure. You don't have to be elite to try AK; you have to be sufficient. If a full party geared at that level can complete the dungeon effectively, then you're geared enough. Anything over that just enables speed-run gravy, but it's not a person's responsibility to gear themselves up sufficiently high so that everyone else can save a few minutes before jumping into queue again.

And, yes, that equates to having Ifrit's weapon (which I had) and 2-3 pieces of Darklight. For most anyone.

[SchalaZeal]

but certainly not enough worse to require 55 CM runs prior to AK in the first place.

51 runs of WP (or CM, or PR, or AK) will get all DL. I don't know why people keep repeating 55 runs. It's 5010 tomes. 900 more for relic, but you can get it later.

Full DL with i55 weapon is not super-overgeared. Relic+1 and full DL with some AF2/Allagan or melded i70 crafted is overgeared.
Full DL will increase your survivability over full AF with holes in accessories (there isn't i55 rings for casters either in GC Flames or goldsmith), but its the weapons that makes it speedier.

I'll be in full DL before running AK because I like to be the one that can carry, rather than the carried one. And I have issues with Wall and its movement, giving me a margin of error is going to make others, who end up not wiping as much, not be angry. Not because its a necessity or can't be done otherwise.

I wiped 10 times on wall, but I could have tried until time up, then queue again, right there in that AF gear with a lv 37 GC bracelet and lv 34 belt, and eventually done it anyways. But when its me causing the wipes, I rather reduce the chances first.

[Mikedizzy]

Endgame is still fun for now but I do agree that it is very annoying running these dungeons so many times. What are we proving by knowing every brick to stand on for every room of these dungeons...SE...we have got the fights down...come on, this sucks.
All these runs just to get the DL Gear seems likes it was just done wrong. They need to admit they are holding us up on purpose because there is not enough content for the game ready.
I am gearing for TITAN run now so I am actually still excited about the game and just got my Garuda Bow Drop on my first kill. I feel bad for those that are on Coil Turn 5 and will not have anything to do soon but alt level another class/job or crafts/gatherings.
I cannot wait to get my RELIC and then getting it +1...more farming....DARN IT!!!!!!!

[Mephice]

Yeah I'd have to agree. You're pretty much forced to run CM and AK over and over to get decent gear. The primals are fairly easy, yet it's frustratingly hard to find a competent group. After getting bored I decided to level a new class, but now that I've already used most of the quests, leveling that up is also boring.

[makii]

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Thank you for making it bold and purple, that made it so much easier to read.

[CaZx]

51 runs of WP (or CM, or PR, or AK) will get all DL. I don't know why people keep repeating 55 runs. It's 5010 tomes. 900 more for relic, but you can get it later.

Only 51??? Well shit wtf is everyone bitching about then....