End game... Bored. The facts.

[sasakusaku]

I am an old generation MMOer and played many games in the genre (not just wow) that had more things to do once past the leveling experience. I can list F2P MMOs that have more end game content and that is sad. I do agree that waiting patiently is a valid argument but then again I am quite sick of Devs launching their MMOs with sub par end game and then waiting to see if it sells well before adding more content once the money rolls in. "Trust us, there will be more soon (TM)!". I have heard this excuse far to often. I will simply point at Defiance as a recent offender of this tactic; they promised the moon on launch and as of yet have failed to deliver (and never will). So call me skeptical and a bit leary when I see new titles doing similar things.

"Level alts!"

Well at the current mythos cap, it will take approx. 38 weeks to gear one job so HF gearing up another one any time soon. Plus many of us, including me prefers to play a main and only go on alts if there is absolutely no choice.

As to rushing, getting to 50 is absurbly easy if not hyper boring once working on a second job. Fate grind is awful and rivals even some of the worst F2P mmos I have played when it comes to monotony. I guess on the plus side, leveling another 50 is super fast; it's just not fun imo. Then when it's done, you tack on another 38 weeks over your main job (per) just to gear it. Yay?

[Grailer]

They could add another 10 dungeons to end game and the OP will still not like the end game because he will say running dungeon #1 is faster so the other 9 are useless etc etc .

Unfortunately like most theme parks they are usually are over once you cap level except a few where developers poor millions into , the end game they have tacked on to this game is just to keep you playing a little longer .

What you probably want is some sort of Sandbox type game , EVE maybe ?

[sasakusaku]

They could add another 10 dungeons to end game and the OP will still not like the end game because he will say running dungeon #1 is faster so the other 9 are useless etc etc .

Unfortunately like most theme parks they are usually are over once you cap level except a few where developers poor millions into , the end game they have tacked on to this game is just to keep you playing a little longer .

What you probably want is some sort of Sandbox type game , EVE maybe ?

There is absolutely no variation in end game here. It's one single 4 man dungeon and a raid aimed at elite players. That's pretty lame if you ask me. As long as those 10 instances gave the same philo/mythos rewards; I'd run them all and not just AK like right now.

I do agree.....theme park MMOs that 'end' really do 'end'; they always 'end' up cancelled or 'end' up in the F2P trash pile.

[razzgrizz3]

i keep seeing people calling this a nieche game. this is a carbon copy of wow dont kid yourselves. you do not come more generic than that

[Kaedan94]

I am an old generation MMOer and played many games in the genre (not just wow) that had more things to do once past the leveling experience. I can list F2P MMOs that have more end game content and that is sad.

No, you really can't. I have played every MMO since Ultima Online (technically I played AoL Neverwinter, but most don't know about that MMO) and there is not a single one that had significant endgame content at launch. You're either misremembering or looking back through rose-colored glasses. ARR actually has more than most.

[traja]

No, you really can't. I have played every MMO since Ultima Online (technically I played AoL Neverwinter, but most don't know about that MMO) and there is not a single one that had significant endgame content at launch. You're either misremembering or looking back through rose-colored glasses. ARR actually has more than most.

What did Rift have at launch? I can't remember but I think it might have had more. But still overall you are right, none of them ever launch with a solid end game. The only semi exceptions to this are WoW expansions which launch with a whole new continent and a lot of end game dungeon and raid content. But still an expansion is an expansion so the comparison isn't fair, well, it is a little bit fair because this is a relaunch.

But be it reasonable or fair, doesn't matter. The reality is that all of the theme park MMOs that launched without an end game are now F2P. People get bored despite of excuses.

[Miiu]

What did Rift have at launch? I can't remember but I think it might have had more. But still overall you are right, none of them ever launch with a solid end game. The only semi exceptions to this are WoW expansions which launch with a whole new continent and a lot of end game dungeon and raid content. But still an expansion is an expansion so the comparison isn't fair, well, it is a little bit fair because this is a relaunch.

But be it reasonable or fair, doesn't matter. The reality is that all of the theme park MMOs that launched without an end game are now F2P. People get bored despite of excuses.

You forget about FFXI which added new areas and classes in their expansion too. If you take the FFXI japanese launch you had the same level cap as FFXIV does (50) and a whole lot of jobs missing. Most people don't know or remember this is because when FFXI was released in the US it had the first expansion included because it was already out for over a year in Japan. And here comes the shocker 11 Years later the game is still not F2P.

[DanteMog]

This is the problem with all MMO's they make Gear the thing for players to strive for, which is wrong, because once you get the gear you're stuffed with nothing else to do.

Vertical progression, while fun early on, is really useless as a progression setup in mmo's.

[whycantiusebetaforumname]

No, you really can't. I have played every MMO since Ultima Online (technically I played AoL Neverwinter, but most don't know about that MMO) and there is not a single one that had significant endgame content at launch. You're either misremembering or looking back through rose-colored glasses. ARR actually has more than most.

This. Tell me what mmo at launch had enough content to keep the try hards 100% happy till next major update

[whycantiusebetaforumname]

And everyone likes vertical progression and tierd content till they get everything. why else would every mmo do it accept for a select few