End game... Bored. The facts.

[Shiyo]

Your guess is as good as mine. To me, who plays 60-80 hours a week. Getting to Mythology cap and (eventually) going Coil once on all turns, is plenty in a week.

I also like to socialize with the FC, enjoy my hangover while crafting some, go fish in plenty of locations just for the heck of it, do tome-farming (philosophy mainly) runs with FC people, run story-content to help FC people. And also devise ways and plans and schemes in order to make efficient, yet not soul-crushing, legit money. Because I'll have to buy a FC house. No time to get bored, imagine that.

My coil LS only logs on once a week to finish coil in the 1 hour it takes to finish, my FC is slowly dying as more and more players quit from boredom/lack of content, and my 40+ person friendlist is getting smaller and smaller as days go by because of more and more people quitting due to boredom/lack of content.


I don't want to pay $13/month for a glorified chat room where I get to play for 2 hours a week, I also have enough gil to afford anything I want for the next few years. I've done all that crap 40460 times since release and it's boring now, plus more and more of my friends keep quitting and logging in less and less every day, I also can't even gear or play my monk at level 50 outside of titan because of stupid lock out timer and myth tome caps. " Getting to Mythology cap and (eventually) going Coil once on all turns, is plenty in a week." you say? Turn 1-4 takes my group 1 hour to clear now, then spamming garuda or WP for the remaining myth tomes is another 1-2 hours. 2-3 hours of content is "plenty per week"? Oh, I see.

I don't understand what you're trying to say with your post "I still have fun doing the same things over and over so you should too"? That's cool I guess, I already did that stuff so many times it's not fun anymore, and I'd like to progress my monk and play it in coil for fun but I can't, I'd like to run coil more often but I can't, so I have to sit here waiting 2+ more months for new content with nothing to do but afk in town and use the game as a glorified chat room until 2.1, which I will not pay $13/month for.

Sorry you're ok with doing the same things over and over for extended periods of time, but I'm not. I also lost ALL motivation to play the game once I dinged monk 50, realized I need 900 tomes for relic, and however many more for gryphonskin/darklight gear as well as the fact I'll NEVER be able to play it in coil, but if I don't gear it for coil(accuracy cap) I shouldn't bother gearing it at all, but since I won't even be able to play it in coil EVER there's no reason to gear it that much, realizing that I'm basically grinding boring as HELL easymode dungeons(cm/prae/wp/ak) for gear so I can grind them more easily, and the only fun content I'd be able to enjoy on Monk is titan which I can't spend 2+ months of playtime doing a single encounter I've had on farm since 3 weeks after release.

So really, what is the point of your post? Does it have one? Are you arguing for the same of arguing? If you are - I suggest you never reply to me again, because honestly, I don't care how much fun you're having doing stuff I've done 60640 times already, I doubt anyone does, I also doubt anyone cares how little fun I'm having, but I do know for a fact that more and more people are quitting everyday, and it's extremely noticable. Between these forums dying down greatly, my friendlist dwindling with players online, my FC losing more and more players everyday, and constant threads about "i'm bored there's nothing to do at end game" getting increasingly more popular, I'd say the general census is this game is losing players more than it's gaining, and it'll only get worse as time goes on and they take so long to release a patch adding content that's not even progression for players on coil. Meaning that players will beat twintania then probably quit until 2.3 because they'll do coil for gear to kill twintania then have nothing left to progress their characters with, this is why linear progression isn't good, it leads to content droughts and severe lack of content with very little relevant content and makes things much harder on devs, devs will never release content fast enough to keep up with gamers in linear progression systems. If their solution to lack of content is time-gated me out of gear, I say "lol", because I know the majority of players are not going to pay $13/month to slowly get gear over the course of 5 months when they already have ALL content on farm and don't need the best gear to do it.

It's also hilarious that another way to make players stay subbed is by designing the current final fight/hardest fight in the game nearly-impossible by making it bugged so that you need INSANE luck to clear it, and not skill. Twintania is only still not killed(besides exploits) because it's a bugged encounter designed to be spammed until you get lucky enough with twisters to clear it, not outskill it, simply OUTLUCK it. It's artificial difficulty to keep players subbed for more money because they know they can't release content as quick as players can clear it and resort to cheap shady tactics like overtuning/bugging a boss to rely sole on luck to kill and not skill. This doesn't even mention the fact it's been disabled for almost 2 weeks now because they can't figure out how to fix an exploit players keep using to kill it.

If that's the future of the game - prolonging content with time-gated gearing that takes almost half a year to obtain, and bugged/overtuned bosses that rely on luck and waiting months for a hotfix or patch "nerf/fix" to happen for when the dev's think it's ok for you to finally kill the boss, then I want nothing to do with such a game and it's shady designs.

[Casper]

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I would like you to count a guesstimate of the number of hour you already spent on this game, having fun (i hope, else why whould you have done it, it's a game after all). If you did all you said you did you must have played what, 250 hours ? Seems reasonnable ? And you paid what, 30+13 dollars for it ?

You rushed through content like there is no tomorrow, and, heck, now we are tomorrow, and you have nothing left to do. No matter what, this would happen anyway if they added other content. What ? You would like a sky zone to farm ? So what, you would farm it 40 hours a week for three week then say "dude, i have nothing left to do, this game is so boring !".



The problem is not the game, it's you.

[Alcide]

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so this.

It's not a matter of gear anymore, it's about actual gameplay, SE can't think people will keep subbing for at least two more months for only 1 hour of gameplay per week, you can say you're not there yet so it doesn't bother you right now, but it will and a lot sooner than 2.1 hits. Which anyway i doubt is gonna fix this problem.
I'm really curious to know what the japanese side is saying about this.

The problem is not the game, it's you.

You really don't get what's the problem here, there's no need to rush through content to see it. You level your first job, start the grinding, which is not fun at all but every mmo has some sort of grinding and you can get through that if that's necessary to access the endgame, no big deal. You get your relic, get your DL gear and start doing Coil and that's fun! First week it'll keep you busy to get it done flawlessly, second week you might still have a few hiccups, but after that you can go from turn 1 to 4 in ONE HOUR... and you're done, there's nothing else to do with your main job.
In every other mmo when you reach this point and you still wanna play you'd roll an alt, but what's the point here? You can't experience the endgame with that, so why would you go through all the farming to gear it up? For the look? To show off your tenth relic and fuill DL gear that you'll never use? That sounds extremely stupid to me.
See, the problem is not the content, because Coil is really fun and well done and the way it requires good gear and some farming is actually well thought, but the way they handled it makes everything else you could do after that absolutely meaningless.

[SchalaZeal]

I don't understand what you're trying to say with your post "I still have fun doing the same things over and over so you should too"?

Reading comprehension, go buy some.

I don't do things over and over. In fact I have variety. You don't. In fact you ask to be able to do coil on multiple classes and cap myth for multiple classes in the same week. Which is doing the same content (coil) over and over again. Compared to me doing a variety of things and not being bored.

My FC and friendlist are fine. I lead a FC and my friendlist is composed mostly of people who joined my FC since I'm the main person to invite in the FC. Friendlist has over 100. FC has 87 (and yes some haven't logged in a while, but we get 15-25 people on at the same time on weekends).

[Khronikos]

I have to agree here. I am level 37 and have been taking things slowly because I realize what the endgame is. I don't want to burn myself out. And I also will almost 100% not be subbing past a month longer. I have a lot of games to play so don't feel like some hardcores do but I think the battle system is kinda weak and redundant at times and the endgame just looks like a huge bore after the first few to do lists are done. I really hope they come up with some great content.

I know this game had a troubled history. So I guess I give it some slack there. It has been quite a bit of fun riding around with friends and doing quests though at some point I always feel it gets a little old just like every other game. What this game could be though is what keeps people going. I really hope they plan on some seriously good content otherwise what is the point subbing every month for this game? I can only look and admire the world so much before it's onto something else.

And at some point I realize why I am not seriously into MMOs. They get boring. It's as simple as that if you don't live in this game.

BUT some seriously large raids and new content would keep me into the game at least.

[Swishytail]

I don't want to pay $13/month.

Bye.

/10char

[Khronikos]

Well to be honest you need to give us more content for 13 dollars a month. I'm not an MMO drone. I don't like to sit and do the same thing for 6 hours straight on a daily basis. This isn't my job. I guess that is why I am taking this slow. But when the PS4 hits and I start finishing up my Steam backlog I'm just not sure I will have time for this game. There are too many complaints from level 50 players not to notice.

[Berezo]

support this thread if you are bored!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Can-I-have-It

[Orsnoire]

This is basically one of those arguments saying that oh, I came in undergeared and got carried. So because I did it, you should too. Bzzt wrong. being gimped with gear is a problem. Means that your cures aren't doing enough and it means that your tanks have to have higher EHP to compensate. While it is a good way to spread the monotony around, it's not 100% feasible for everyone. I can't go into stuff being undergeared as a tank without feeling guilty. Means that due to my laziness and whatever bullshit reason I throw out, people should have to carry more than their share of the weight? Full DL is overkill for AK, but a couple is a joke. A ring and a bracelet?

Personally I feel guilty if I don't pull my own weight, but apparently not everyone does.

So let me get this straight: because you think that AK is hard, and that DL is actually needed there (LOL by the way) that you should be given a cookie for your ass-backwards viewpoint?

Erm...yeah.

[Svennyblaze]

I feel I have plenty to do atm. I play about 3-4 hours after work on my off day I try to get in 5-6 hours. Right now I've been doing 1-2 castrum runs a night saving for my DL gear. When waiting on DF ive finished fishing and have now moved onto mining although DF waits have only been like 20 min lately for dps.

I'd like to move on and level archer some but I'd prefer to gear up my monk so I'm staying with him at the moment. Some nights though I get caught up in mining and dont even do my nightly castrums. There is so much to keep ME occupied I feel. I cant wait to start crafting leveling other jobs, farming end game gear higher then DL.

I guess I am fortunate because I enjoy doing all these things. If you are one of the people who only enjoy leveling one job and only gearing one job then yes I guess you are going to be bored by this game until about a year from now when there is a lot more content.