End game... Bored. The facts.

[zaviermhigo]

While maybe not put in the best way, I agree with OP, spamming this crap is boring, but....that's what most mmos break down to, it'd just be nice if anything in this game was actually hard, instead of "hard because of few party members suck." I can deal with it, but honestly I wish there was more other eventually boring stuff to do to even it out. Like an endgame zone with stuff like "ffxi's campaign" running, something that actual affects the world in a minute way, fight them back and less will come next time, don't fight em back for a while, hoardes. Different types of content besides "queue up for instance, either 4 man or 8" will help break a little bit of the monotony imo.

[SchalaZeal]

I see you don't play this game, I am literally unable to gear up more than 1 job in gear past darklight/crafted and unable to do coil more than once per week, and 1 turn per job. Where exactly do I spend the rest of my game time after the 1 hour of coil turn 1- > 4 then the 1-2 hours of garuda farming to finish my myth tomes?

Your guess is as good as mine. To me, who plays 60-80 hours a week. Getting to Mythology cap and (eventually) going Coil once on all turns, is plenty in a week.

I also like to socialize with the FC, enjoy my hangover while crafting some, go fish in plenty of locations just for the heck of it, do tome-farming (philosophy mainly) runs with FC people, run story-content to help FC people. And also devise ways and plans and schemes in order to make efficient, yet not soul-crushing, legit money. Because I'll have to buy a FC house. No time to get bored, imagine that.

[Shiyo]

Your guess is as good as mine. To me, who plays 60-80 hours a week. Getting to Mythology cap and (eventually) going Coil once on all turns, is plenty in a week.

I also like to socialize with the FC, enjoy my hangover while crafting some, go fish in plenty of locations just for the heck of it, do tome-farming (philosophy mainly) runs with FC people, run story-content to help FC people. And also devise ways and plans and schemes in order to make efficient, yet not soul-crushing, legit money. Because I'll have to buy a FC house. No time to get bored, imagine that.

My coil LS only logs on once a week to finish coil in the 1 hour it takes to finish, my FC is slowly dying as more and more players quit from boredom/lack of content, and my 40+ person friendlist is getting smaller and smaller as days go by because of more and more people quitting due to boredom/lack of content.


I don't want to pay $13/month for a glorified chat room where I get to play for 2 hours a week, I also have enough gil to afford anything I want for the next few years. I've done all that crap 40460 times since release and it's boring now, plus more and more of my friends keep quitting and logging in less and less every day, I also can't even gear or play my monk at level 50 outside of titan because of stupid lock out timer and myth tome caps. " Getting to Mythology cap and (eventually) going Coil once on all turns, is plenty in a week." you say? Turn 1-4 takes my group 1 hour to clear now, then spamming garuda or WP for the remaining myth tomes is another 1-2 hours. 2-3 hours of content is "plenty per week"? Oh, I see.

I don't understand what you're trying to say with your post "I still have fun doing the same things over and over so you should too"? That's cool I guess, I already did that stuff so many times it's not fun anymore, and I'd like to progress my monk and play it in coil for fun but I can't, I'd like to run coil more often but I can't, so I have to sit here waiting 2+ more months for new content with nothing to do but afk in town and use the game as a glorified chat room until 2.1, which I will not pay $13/month for.

Sorry you're ok with doing the same things over and over for extended periods of time, but I'm not. I also lost ALL motivation to play the game once I dinged monk 50, realized I need 900 tomes for relic, and however many more for gryphonskin/darklight gear as well as the fact I'll NEVER be able to play it in coil, but if I don't gear it for coil(accuracy cap) I shouldn't bother gearing it at all, but since I won't even be able to play it in coil EVER there's no reason to gear it that much, realizing that I'm basically grinding boring as HELL easymode dungeons(cm/prae/wp/ak) for gear so I can grind them more easily, and the only fun content I'd be able to enjoy on Monk is titan which I can't spend 2+ months of playtime doing a single encounter I've had on farm since 3 weeks after release.

So really, what is the point of your post? Does it have one? Are you arguing for the same of arguing? If you are - I suggest you never reply to me again, because honestly, I don't care how much fun you're having doing stuff I've done 60640 times already, I doubt anyone does, I also doubt anyone cares how little fun I'm having, but I do know for a fact that more and more people are quitting everyday, and it's extremely noticable. Between these forums dying down greatly, my friendlist dwindling with players online, my FC losing more and more players everyday, and constant threads about "i'm bored there's nothing to do at end game" getting increasingly more popular, I'd say the general census is this game is losing players more than it's gaining, and it'll only get worse as time goes on and they take so long to release a patch adding content that's not even progression for players on coil. Meaning that players will beat twintania then probably quit until 2.3 because they'll do coil for gear to kill twintania then have nothing left to progress their characters with, this is why linear progression isn't good, it leads to content droughts and severe lack of content with very little relevant content and makes things much harder on devs, devs will never release content fast enough to keep up with gamers in linear progression systems. If their solution to lack of content is time-gated me out of gear, I say "lol", because I know the majority of players are not going to pay $13/month to slowly get gear over the course of 5 months when they already have ALL content on farm and don't need the best gear to do it.

It's also hilarious that another way to make players stay subbed is by designing the current final fight/hardest fight in the game nearly-impossible by making it bugged so that you need INSANE luck to clear it, and not skill. Twintania is only still not killed(besides exploits) because it's a bugged encounter designed to be spammed until you get lucky enough with twisters to clear it, not outskill it, simply OUTLUCK it. It's artificial difficulty to keep players subbed for more money because they know they can't release content as quick as players can clear it and resort to cheap shady tactics like overtuning/bugging a boss to rely sole on luck to kill and not skill. This doesn't even mention the fact it's been disabled for almost 2 weeks now because they can't figure out how to fix an exploit players keep using to kill it.

If that's the future of the game - prolonging content with time-gated gearing that takes almost half a year to obtain, and bugged/overtuned bosses that rely on luck and waiting months for a hotfix or patch "nerf/fix" to happen for when the dev's think it's ok for you to finally kill the boss, then I want nothing to do with such a game and it's shady designs.

[Casper]

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I would like you to count a guesstimate of the number of hour you already spent on this game, having fun (i hope, else why whould you have done it, it's a game after all). If you did all you said you did you must have played what, 250 hours ? Seems reasonnable ? And you paid what, 30+13 dollars for it ?

You rushed through content like there is no tomorrow, and, heck, now we are tomorrow, and you have nothing left to do. No matter what, this would happen anyway if they added other content. What ? You would like a sky zone to farm ? So what, you would farm it 40 hours a week for three week then say "dude, i have nothing left to do, this game is so boring !".



The problem is not the game, it's you.

[Alcide]

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so this.

It's not a matter of gear anymore, it's about actual gameplay, SE can't think people will keep subbing for at least two more months for only 1 hour of gameplay per week, you can say you're not there yet so it doesn't bother you right now, but it will and a lot sooner than 2.1 hits. Which anyway i doubt is gonna fix this problem.
I'm really curious to know what the japanese side is saying about this.

The problem is not the game, it's you.

You really don't get what's the problem here, there's no need to rush through content to see it. You level your first job, start the grinding, which is not fun at all but every mmo has some sort of grinding and you can get through that if that's necessary to access the endgame, no big deal. You get your relic, get your DL gear and start doing Coil and that's fun! First week it'll keep you busy to get it done flawlessly, second week you might still have a few hiccups, but after that you can go from turn 1 to 4 in ONE HOUR... and you're done, there's nothing else to do with your main job.
In every other mmo when you reach this point and you still wanna play you'd roll an alt, but what's the point here? You can't experience the endgame with that, so why would you go through all the farming to gear it up? For the look? To show off your tenth relic and fuill DL gear that you'll never use? That sounds extremely stupid to me.
See, the problem is not the content, because Coil is really fun and well done and the way it requires good gear and some farming is actually well thought, but the way they handled it makes everything else you could do after that absolutely meaningless.

[Swishytail]

I don't want to pay $13/month.

Bye.

/10char

[SchalaZeal]

but certainly not enough worse to require 55 CM runs prior to AK in the first place.

51 runs of WP (or CM, or PR, or AK) will get all DL. I don't know why people keep repeating 55 runs. It's 5010 tomes. 900 more for relic, but you can get it later.

Full DL with i55 weapon is not super-overgeared. Relic+1 and full DL with some AF2/Allagan or melded i70 crafted is overgeared.
Full DL will increase your survivability over full AF with holes in accessories (there isn't i55 rings for casters either in GC Flames or goldsmith), but its the weapons that makes it speedier.

I'll be in full DL before running AK because I like to be the one that can carry, rather than the carried one. And I have issues with Wall and its movement, giving me a margin of error is going to make others, who end up not wiping as much, not be angry. Not because its a necessity or can't be done otherwise.

I wiped 10 times on wall, but I could have tried until time up, then queue again, right there in that AF gear with a lv 37 GC bracelet and lv 34 belt, and eventually done it anyways. But when its me causing the wipes, I rather reduce the chances first.

[CaZx]

51 runs of WP (or CM, or PR, or AK) will get all DL. I don't know why people keep repeating 55 runs. It's 5010 tomes. 900 more for relic, but you can get it later.

Only 51??? Well shit wtf is everyone bitching about then....

[Mikedizzy]

Endgame is still fun for now but I do agree that it is very annoying running these dungeons so many times. What are we proving by knowing every brick to stand on for every room of these dungeons...SE...we have got the fights down...come on, this sucks.
All these runs just to get the DL Gear seems likes it was just done wrong. They need to admit they are holding us up on purpose because there is not enough content for the game ready.
I am gearing for TITAN run now so I am actually still excited about the game and just got my Garuda Bow Drop on my first kill. I feel bad for those that are on Coil Turn 5 and will not have anything to do soon but alt level another class/job or crafts/gatherings.
I cannot wait to get my RELIC and then getting it +1...more farming....DARN IT!!!!!!!

[makii]

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Thank you for making it bold and purple, that made it so much easier to read.