End game... Bored. The facts.

[Onolock]

Coil turn 5 still hasn't been beaten yet, and don't say gear is the issue because it's not. A lot of people, are actually have legitimate issues with turn 5, it's just flat out hard. You think Crystal Tower gear is going to make Coil Uber easy? For the Elite, yes I wouldn't put it past them, but again for the "Majority" Coil Turn 5 is still going to be a hassle.


Relic Reborn IS End-game since it is a weapon that you get AFTER the main story and it is a long process to get just 1.

Twintania hasn't been killed yet because she is bugged(hence why she is offline right now). Twintania down to 50% is all gear, having enough health to soak the Fireballs and dps to kill the conflags. Walking in with full CT gear/AF2/Myth gear will trivialize Coil and yes even Turn 5.

[Stryker]

Niche markets are very hard specifically because they're niche. Any big company is going to want to get as much as they can rather than cater to a niche market. It's like in any business. Would you rather be Wal-mart and make massive amounts of money or be a small farmers market? Both can succeed but companies have CEO's, Boards, and shareholders they report to so they're not going to go for peanuts.

As it stands, I don't think 14 is not set up to find a "niche" market in the gaming industry. It's hinging on drawing people with the FF name along with pulling some mechanics from other games. Now whether that's the recipe for success or not, only time will tell. With the end game being what it is, the new content needs to start coming out soon or else they're going to lose more subs.

MMO's are now a competitive genre due to the massive amount of continual revenue you can earn from it. CCP who makes Eve has basically just had 1 game for the past decade. They recently released Dust for some added revenue but they're a prime example of what a niche market in the MMO industry really is.

Oh and actually SE hasn't been doing to well. Over the past 5 years their stock has dropped significantly. They've had many flops and with the JRPG market being poached by smaller companies and their FF brand not doing as well.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_s...are-Enix_games

I don't know how reputable this source is, but if these numbers serve to be correct then the older FF's did a lot better than the newer ones. This doesn't have anything newer than 13 on it of course so it's a bit dated, but it goes to show you how they've definitely lost hype behind their FF series.

http://www.vg247.com/2012/11/27/fina...enix-director/

Also an article on how important it is for the relaunch to be successful. I've seen articles like this a few places last year when 1.0 shut down. The same article has a link saying that 11 is their most profitable game the company has had. So most likely means that they invested a shitload of money into 14. Both versions.

[ScoutDesu]

Hmm, it says the facts in the tittle, But all i see is opinion. the real fact is its still vanilla, no true content has bin release yet. The game is still a baby give it some time.

[Trife]

Sigh.... The facts are OP is just another impatient one. Hasn't anybody read the future patch notes?!? News flash! New content is coming! Yes people, this is a new game. Get over it already..... The only issue here is this "I need it now!!!!!" attitude.. You did it to yourselves with this new generation of supposed "gamers" wanting to make end-game in 2 days or it's "waaa it's too much of a grind! I want every game to be just like WoW" You guys that cry about bad design, it's all your fault.

[Rochetm]

Sigh.... The facts are OP is just another impatient one. Hasn't anybody read the future patch notes?!? News flash! New content is coming! Yes people, this is a new game. Get over it already..... The only issue here is this "I need it now!!!!!" attitude.. You did it to yourselves with this new generation of supposed "gamers" wanting to make end-game in 2 days or it's "waaa it's too much of a grind! I want every game to be just like WoW" You guys that cry about bad design, it's all your fault.

Welcome to the World of Warcraft... world... stuff.. YEAH!

In other news there are things to do other than "beating" the game. Level other jobs, do quests... explore... help others. If you are bored a month in then there is nothing they could do except make leveling a slow grind from hell, end game a slow grind from hell, and remove those teleports. Or they could keep the game the way it is and be awesome...

[sasakusaku]

I am an old generation MMOer and played many games in the genre (not just wow) that had more things to do once past the leveling experience. I can list F2P MMOs that have more end game content and that is sad. I do agree that waiting patiently is a valid argument but then again I am quite sick of Devs launching their MMOs with sub par end game and then waiting to see if it sells well before adding more content once the money rolls in. "Trust us, there will be more soon (TM)!". I have heard this excuse far to often. I will simply point at Defiance as a recent offender of this tactic; they promised the moon on launch and as of yet have failed to deliver (and never will). So call me skeptical and a bit leary when I see new titles doing similar things.

"Level alts!"

Well at the current mythos cap, it will take approx. 38 weeks to gear one job so HF gearing up another one any time soon. Plus many of us, including me prefers to play a main and only go on alts if there is absolutely no choice.

As to rushing, getting to 50 is absurbly easy if not hyper boring once working on a second job. Fate grind is awful and rivals even some of the worst F2P mmos I have played when it comes to monotony. I guess on the plus side, leveling another 50 is super fast; it's just not fun imo. Then when it's done, you tack on another 38 weeks over your main job (per) just to gear it. Yay?

[Grailer]

They could add another 10 dungeons to end game and the OP will still not like the end game because he will say running dungeon #1 is faster so the other 9 are useless etc etc .

Unfortunately like most theme parks they are usually are over once you cap level except a few where developers poor millions into , the end game they have tacked on to this game is just to keep you playing a little longer .

What you probably want is some sort of Sandbox type game , EVE maybe ?

[sasakusaku]

They could add another 10 dungeons to end game and the OP will still not like the end game because he will say running dungeon #1 is faster so the other 9 are useless etc etc .

Unfortunately like most theme parks they are usually are over once you cap level except a few where developers poor millions into , the end game they have tacked on to this game is just to keep you playing a little longer .

What you probably want is some sort of Sandbox type game , EVE maybe ?

There is absolutely no variation in end game here. It's one single 4 man dungeon and a raid aimed at elite players. That's pretty lame if you ask me. As long as those 10 instances gave the same philo/mythos rewards; I'd run them all and not just AK like right now.

I do agree.....theme park MMOs that 'end' really do 'end'; they always 'end' up cancelled or 'end' up in the F2P trash pile.

[Kaedan94]

I am an old generation MMOer and played many games in the genre (not just wow) that had more things to do once past the leveling experience. I can list F2P MMOs that have more end game content and that is sad.

No, you really can't. I have played every MMO since Ultima Online (technically I played AoL Neverwinter, but most don't know about that MMO) and there is not a single one that had significant endgame content at launch. You're either misremembering or looking back through rose-colored glasses. ARR actually has more than most.

[traja]

No, you really can't. I have played every MMO since Ultima Online (technically I played AoL Neverwinter, but most don't know about that MMO) and there is not a single one that had significant endgame content at launch. You're either misremembering or looking back through rose-colored glasses. ARR actually has more than most.

What did Rift have at launch? I can't remember but I think it might have had more. But still overall you are right, none of them ever launch with a solid end game. The only semi exceptions to this are WoW expansions which launch with a whole new continent and a lot of end game dungeon and raid content. But still an expansion is an expansion so the comparison isn't fair, well, it is a little bit fair because this is a relaunch.

But be it reasonable or fair, doesn't matter. The reality is that all of the theme park MMOs that launched without an end game are now F2P. People get bored despite of excuses.