Get rid of Stacking Regen/Medica II?

[davloh]

I have a problem with players asking for nerfs, lets make the game with 1 tank 1 dps 1 heal job so everyone is equal?
Comparing things in a game to real life is legit right?
Anyways i'm all for buffing my fellow scholars, let their shield stack or whatever to help them do their job better, makes my runs easier.
Unless the bulk of the complaints come from certain sore sch that has been rejected by groups constantly, then i would say keep trying/finding groups that want you.
Might be a player issue, when sch i know has no problems getting into runs or raids. Just saying :P

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...he-point/page3

[Maku]

PvP and PvE will be balanced separately. Also, don't get ride of double regen stacking instead give SCHs double shield stacking ability. OK GO!!!!!!

[Arcaloid]

Without stack regen/medica II, most (if not all) BOSS fight can still be done by 2 WHM, and still no one would want 2 SCH.

[Alu79]

Without stack regen/medica II, most (if not all) BOSS fight can still be done by 2 WHM, and still no one would want 2 SCH.

Sadly, I believe this as well.

[Alindra]

Without stack regen/medica II, most (if not all) BOSS fight can still be done by 2 WHM, and still no one would want 2 SCH.

I keep seeing that 2 SCH is bad all over the forums, so everytime I've been in a group with 2 SCH's I've been a little nervous about how it would go. But I've done Castrum, Ifrit, Hydra, and Garuda all with another SCH and it hasn't seemed any harder than having a WHM with me. So it seems like the forums exaggerate a bit.

[Kafziel]

I keep seeing that 2 SCH is bad all over the forums, so everytime I've been in a group with 2 SCH's I've been a little nervous about how it would go. But I've done Castrum, Ifrit, Hydra, and Garuda all with another SCH and it hasn't seemed any harder than having a WHM with me. So it seems like the forums exaggerate a bit.

2 scholars aren't bad. However, 2 SCH suffer from their skills canceling each other out while 2 WHM do not. 2 regens and 2 medica/medica II's can bring and entire party back from near death quite quickly. This is not the case with 2 SCH casting succor. 2 SCH casting succor is only spectacular when done with perfect timing as damage is still happening (meaning succor shield is never overwritten or not applied due to it already being up). Scholars have 2 abilities that can lose half their effectiveness if that spell is already present. With 2 SCH this problem is intensified. A lot of people forget that 2 scholars also means 2 fairies. 2 fairies can do quite a lot of healing.

I think a possible solution is to just give succor a bonus(25-50%) to its healing if a new succor shield is not applied.

[sharazisspecial]

This would not fix double sch or fix undesirability of sch for crystal tower. 5 whm 1 sch pts would still be the optimal. Because the additional whms would heal at full potency with cure2/medica but a 2nd sch will heal half potency with adlo and succor.

However 5-6 regen /medica 2 stacking is going to make healing such a joke lol. Though se wants undergeared people to beat crystal tower via duty finder soo maybe they dont care. I will really be pissed if i run into multiple sch in my duty finder raid lol

[Riko_113]

This would not fix double sch or fix undesirability of sch for crystal tower. 5 whm 1 sch pts would still be the optimal. Because the additional whms would heal at full potency with cure2/medica but a 2nd sch will heal half potency with adlo and succor.

However 5-6 regen /medica 2 stacking is going to make healing such a joke lol. Though se wants undergeared people to beat crystal tower via duty finder soo maybe they dont care. I will really be pissed if i run into multiple sch in my duty finder raid lol

Crystal Tower is not going to be a zerg of 24 ppl. They've already said that 3 teams of 8 will be splitting up and doing content separately so will need a normal 8 man team formation on each team. 3WHM and 3SCH will still be useful.

As a WHM, while 2 medica II is damn sexy, I prefer having SCH as my other healer. The shielding and regular small heals really makes WHM healing easier since the entire team doesn't have health shooting all around like a ricocheting bullet. It's better for mana and since SCH are proactive healers, safer for the team. I prefer to have a SCH shield up with those big hits are coming. Garuda HM for example, there have been times where we were going to wipe because the stones went down too fast but a SCH shielded at the right time preventing 1shot and then we were able to get the team back to full quickly with both of our heals and their shield to keep health from going back down as fast.

Scholars need to stop underestimating their skills and learn to play their class. They aren't meant to play like WHM and I've seen some amazing SCH. I've also seen some amazing WAR that out-tank PLD. Those people know how to play their class and aren't trying to play it like their counterpart.

[ChenBot]

Realistically only tanks ever have regen and medica 2 on at the same time. The GCD is just way too long to abuse it on the whole group. Do you mean when two white mages stack medica 2 hots? Because that is awesome and it happens all the time when we know scholars aren't around to witness it.

[Raminax]

As far as I know, Crystal Tower will consist of three separate groups joining forces, not one giant raid of 24 players. While 6 Regens on the tank will be possible I suppose, I very much doubt we'll have a single Scholar preshielding 24 players and 6 Medica II hots ticking away on everyone.

Not sure about the undergeared part either. Relic weapons will likely be required to enter the Crystal Tower according to Yoshi-P, either implying a decent ilvl average or simply having good gear by virtue of kicking Titan in the shins. Unless you were boosted in your Artifact gear, but then you only have yourself to blame for being bad.