[TIP] If you're going to be an Archer

[Rilr]

By being saddled with DDs who don't look at the aggro list ever. Not just archers either.

I've never lost aggro especially on Bosses at Fates when I leveled my Tank. Most likely you just encountered undergeared tanks or those who don't read their abilities and just use those with a fancy icon.

[ChaozK]

I have to agree with the OP, when i pull the mob, i stop attacking and use my enmity dumps rather than kiting the mob and stopping HALF the raid from doing dps.

Most of the time the archers even continue to attack, which means its close to impossible to get hate off of them.

[aswedishtiger]

the responses from archers only reinforces the preconceived stereotype people have of those that play the class
a combination of that level of mentality coupled together with the fate leveled 'never set foot in an instance, never changed or upgraded gear since level 15, oh, i only have this crafting gear, nothing else' assures my stance of never ever pugging

yep, just this

sooo /thread and l2p all you archer bads

[Leonas]

This reminds me of the other day.

Here I was leveling Archer for blm. Cactaur Jack is up. Theres a GLD and someoen else I beleive with a heal spell there too. I go, oh goody.

I hop down, I start an ability rotation. I immediately go into yellow, I just arrived and they've already been here for a bit. No biggie, next ability, yellow turns to orange. Uhhh....
I wait a second, it flips back to yellow, I do a couple of abilities, oh god its red and after me.

I'm not going to spend a huge amount of time just auto attacking this boss to death because the tank can't read his abilities and learn what enmity means. If he doesn't want to generate threat and tank, thats fine, I can run in circles. Thankfully, archer is 15 and time to move on to thm.

[Xenob]

This is hardly just an archer problem. It's a bad player problem.

[Ysarel]

This thread is bad and most of you should feel very, very bad.

Barring idiots who constantly pull mobs on not-tanks and do other actually dumb things, if an ARC/BRD has hate for any significant amount of time then the tank is dead, fell asleep at the keyboard, or doesn't understand how to use Provoke paired with an enmity generation move to regain hate. Standing still for any significant amount of time would amount to a death wish in this situation, especially if your healer is a whiny bad who refuses to heal a non-tank who takes hate. Kiting means the ARC/BRD takes less damage until either the mob is dead or hate shifts. Don't blame the ARC for kiting, it's what they should do in such a situation. Identify the real problem in your party so they don't have to kite the next time.

[Riichi]

This thread is bad and most of you should feel very, very bad.

Barring idiots who constantly pull mobs on not-tanks and do other actually dumb things, if an ARC/BRD has hate for any significant amount of time then the tank is dead, fell asleep at the keyboard, or doesn't understand how to use Provoke paired with an enmity generation move to regain hate. Standing still for any significant amount of time would amount to a death wish in this situation, especially if your healer is a whiny bad who refuses to heal a non-tank who takes hate. Kiting means the ARC/BRD takes less damage until either the mob is dead or hate shifts. Don't blame the ARC for kiting, it's what they should do in such a situation. Identify the real problem in your party so they don't have to kite the next time.

No melee class can pull off a moving target that is being consistently attacked by it's target.

[Ysarel]

No melee class can pull off a moving target that is being consistently attacked by it's target.

Not necessarily true. If you run in a smaller circle than the kiter and mob then you can keep up and continue to DPS. For a tank it shouldn't matter, Provoke + Tomahawk or Shield Lob and get back to what you were doing.

Don't get me wrong, my first move upon getting hate is usually to move to the tank. But if the tank isn't going to do their job, I'm going to do what I have to do to survive.

[Riichi]

Not necessarily true. If you run in a smaller circle than the kiter and mob then you can keep up and continue to DPS. For a tank it shouldn't matter, Provoke + Tomahawk or Shield Lob and get back to what you were doing.

Don't get me wrong, my first move upon getting hate is usually to move to the tank. But if the tank isn't going to do their job, I'm going to do what I have to do to survive.

You haven't played a melee class, have you? Also, no, a tomahawk/shield lob after a provoke still isn't enough.

[Zerosix]

No melee class can pull off a moving target that is being consistently attacked by it's target.

You mean bad tanks cant pull back off right? I am not even an archer and I know the class is meant to kite to avoid damage. Sure he would rather the op be a good tank... but we can't always get what we want. I can understand it is a pain to get aggro back under control in fates, but in a dungeon this should never happen. If the bard is using his hate dump, and the tank is doing his job, everything works fine.