Fates suck. I not mad, I disappointed.

[Steeled]

Really SE. I'm disappointed.

I'm not surprised, I knew coming into this game that you don't react with any swiftness to any issues. You know what's going on, your pages are filled with them, but you keep going at it.

Although there are many people fate'ing, not so many enjoy them. It is far and away the best leveling system. In a good streak, I can earn in 20 minutes what I can earn in an entire dungeon, more even and not have to deal with jobs who can't....job.

Tabbed back to the game 3 times while writing this far just to see if any fates up.

You have to stop this idea of gameplay that must be endured rather than enjoyed. Whatever doesn't force you to unsubscribe makes you stronger? Yeah, no.

What kills it is that you have fun methods available, you just need to enhance them to something decent, like making exp chains in dungeons not dependent on mob level, would help a lot, along with a scaling up the base exp gained some.

I fully believe that dungeon pace would be okay if fate pace didn't obliterate them, but as you know, you've set that pace and nerfing it now would cause a lot of rage.

During the course of this post, I stopped once to do the colibri fate, then cancer, and then the qiqirn one. I got 55k exp from the 3 (I have a healthy rested bonus though). On the qiqirn, I got to him in time to cast 3 nukes and got 12k exp (yeah, i'm in a fate group).

Does this really have to go the same course as XI mistakes? You leave something rotting for months or years until people stop caring?

[Pooky]

FATEs do seem to be the best source of exp by far, but I don't get why so many people who say they hate it still FATE grind for hours? Is it that important to level up to 50 ASAP? If it is, then why complain about the fastest method. If it isn't then why not diversify? Queue up for dungeons while FATE grinding, do some leves, etc. It may take you an extra week to level, but if you really hate FATEs that much, its not worth it?

[Zer0]

Honestly I'd rather FATE Exp be nerfed and the others brought up. I'd also like to see a lowered gain of seals from FATES and increase the total number of ways to get seals. So you end up getting the same seals and exp as you would grinding fates just from instead doing multiple things, to encourage you to do more things. Add more daily resetting quests around the world at various levels so you have quests to do on alts. Encourage instance use for alts and this would make alt leveling easier.

[Lucroarna]

You're choosing to do them, go have fun if you hate them so much. It seems to me you're choosing having a level 50 in a video game over your own emotional well being. You can't really fault SE for that.

[Synthesis]

Fates are exp grind zerg fest nothing else. 5 hits for 20k experience points.

Why are leves in the game for when they re 1/4 xp of fate. Leves are trash beside fates.

[AsakuraVN]

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Because every other things are even more boring/stressful than FATEs? You can't do FATEs alone, you can't queue DF/do leves while in a FATE pt, even if you manage to get into one, it certainly requires more work to do while giving less exp, in the end they just extend your boring grinding time.

I personally think I spent enough time in instances on my main char already, I want to grind my alts in the open world, but the only choice right now is FATEs (pls don't talk about leves, they're for my DoH, DoL classes).
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[Steeled]

All good points, you also forgot you can't even solo with your chocobo while queued for dungeons.

Fateing is the intended method for free exp grinding. SE just doesn't care how badly they did it.

[Codek]

I find it kinda funny, the moment SE makes it so that Dungeons give more XP (even just a lil) then there will be a drastic dip in the number of people running these fates. Suddenly, what took 2 minutes per fate to complete will jump up to 10 minutes and fates will suddenly become a much worse method to gather XP/hour.

So SE reveres the decision and we get to the situation we are currently in. It's impossible to balance as the community will continue to tip the fate grind scale to the extremes.

So I guess the better question to ask is, which would you prefer to grind out?

[Shiyo]

You're choosing to do them, go have fun if you hate them so much. It seems to me you're choosing having a level 50 in a video game over your own emotional well being. You can't really fault SE for that.

The game literally doesn't start until 50. Every single class completely changes their rotation and playstyle at 50, when they get their full set of skills. The entire game is incredibly easy until around 40, and 50 is when it gets actually challenging.

People rush to 50 because 1-50 is a tutorial and the entire game STARTS at 50, literally stated by Yoshi-P in interviews and live letters. People want to experience the best, and only challenging/fun part of the game.

Stop with the "DONT RUSH TO 50 THEN LEVEL SLOWER! ENJOY THE LEVELING!" when the entire game before 50 mediocre/bad, leveling isn't fun no matter how you do it in this game, the first 30 levels of every classes is 123, and it's purposely designed that way.

[Steeled]

Wait wait wait.

You mean there's something wrong with harder content, that requires more than spamming your aoe macro, giving more exp?

And see, while that might be true for tanks and healers, dps would fate still strictly because of queue times.