Cheating & Harrasment - The Wanderer's Palace - Viceroy Malice ( Paladin )

[Cirsce]

I've had the pleasure of being in not one but two back to back groups of The Wanderer's Palace today with the same tank abusing the queue system. This tank queues up for the instance. Runs in to grab all the chests. Then suicides with 30+ mobs on him. He then waits in a group full of dead people that he killed for someone to leave so they can soak the group abandonment debuff.

So he can queue up. Again.

From the amount of money that he says he makes per day doing this divided by how much he says he makes per run .... I can only assume he's doing this 150-250 times per day or more.

Apparently he HAS been reported by 100+ people already, but nothing is being done about it.

SE, ban these people already. Someone shouldn't have to sit through a 40 minute queue only to soak a debuff for some jerk so they can go back to questing.

[nails]

Sounds more like he found a loophole in the dungeon system that needs to be corrected. Similar to the AK speed runs prior to fix.

[Arkista]

Well I can tell you he is full of crap! For one I think there is only 2 chest you can get before the 1st boss, Two after the 1st boss you have to open a door to get to the next set of chests, he may be able to open them solo idk. Only thing I can tell you and other is if this happen let them leave and then find another member to join. Also has been like a month since I ran that place but I doubt they changed anything.

[PSxpert2011]

I've had the pleasure of being in not one but two back to back groups of The Wanderer's Palace today with the same tank abusing the queue system. This tank queues up for the instance. Runs in to grab all the chests. Then suicides with 30+ mobs on him. He then waits in a group full of dead people that he killed for someone to leave so they can soak the group abandonment debuff.

So he can queue up. Again.

From the amount of money that he says he makes per day doing this divided by how much he says he makes per run .... I can only assume he's doing this 150-250 times per day or more.

Apparently he HAS been reported by 100+ people already, but nothing is being done about it.

SE, ban these people already. Someone shouldn't have to sit through a 40 minute queue only to soak a debuff for some jerk so they can go back to questing.

Wow, is this considered an exploit or just a stradegy for bad tanks? Because I can tell you something to be honest. A bad group calls for a tank to get in a pretty bad mood.

I wasn't the best tank in my younger years but I still got critique, and not this creative critique either. some very harsh language put in them.

He/she could be having an off-day, discovered this "loop-hole" by convenience, you know?

I'm not sure what that last word means, "group abandonment debuff" ...wats that? (i never sticked around to learn these things) XD

[Asdamine]

I'm not sure what that last word means, "group abandonment debuff" ...wats that? (i never sticked around to learn these things) XD

You get a 15 minutes penalty for being the first person to leave/abandon the dungeon, only the first person though. In other words, what he described is that the Tank went AFK and force someone else to leave the party and then he can leave as the second person without the 15-mins penalty.

The penalty system is flawed imo, as trolls will never willingly leave in the first place and there is no kick function in the party since SE believes kick function might be exploited or misused.

Edit: But then again, how would he make money from the treasure coffer? I mean, you don't always get the loot all the times as it requires a roll. Plus, if it's not a roll, potions or allagan pieces would just randomly given to a player in the group, not necessarily the Paladin.

[Discordia]

You get a 15 minutes penalty for being the first person to leave/abandon the dungeon, only the first person though. In other words, what he described is that the Tank went AFK and force someone else to leave the party and then he can leave as the second person without the 15-mins penalty.

This never worked for me. Even if I was the third to leave the group, I would get the debuff. In other words, I'm thinking, if you ALT+F4 instead, you could be considered as d/c (or you can disable network in Windows to get the d/c effect) and those players don't get an abandonment debuff and that means the next person who "voluntarily" leaves will get it.

[Asdamine]

This never worked for me. Even if I was the third to leave the group, I would get the debuff. In other words, I'm thinking, if you ALT+F4 instead, you could be considered as d/c (or you can disable network in Windows to get the d/c effect) and those players don't get an abandonment debuff and that means the next person who "voluntarily" leaves will get it.

It's very possible, I have never considered this possibility. But that person cannot log on for some time before the system automatically kick the "dc" out of the group. Last time I saw someone dc, it took 10 mins to kick him out. So in effect, it is still a penalty (for not logging on and get back into the dungeon), albeit less than the "volunteer".

In my opinion, there is no harm done to the tanks in this game since a 15 mins penalty is equivalent to a bathroom break and they could instant join at queue (I always instant join in duty finder as Paladin, without wait time ever exceeding 1 minute) while other classes have to wait 40 mins to an hour for a dungeon (on top of the penalty - even worse). So, the 15 mins penalty hurts more to other class than the Tanks.

[Cirsce]

You get a 15 minutes penalty for being the first person to leave/abandon the dungeon, only the first person though. In other words, what he described is that the Tank went AFK and force someone else to leave the party and then he can leave as the second person without the 15-mins penalty.

The penalty system is flawed imo, as trolls will never willingly leave in the first place and there is no kick function in the party since SE believes kick function might be exploited or misused.

Edit: But then again, how would he make money from the treasure coffer? I mean, you don't always get the loot all the times as it requires a roll. Plus, if it's not a roll, potions or allagan pieces would just randomly given to a player in the group, not necessarily the Paladin.

He's not making money from the allagon pieces. He's making money from the drops. He said he makes 3 million gil per day with each piece selling for around 25-40k. Therefore if you do the math to make that kind of money he's getting at least 100 of them per day. 100 then times 4 because you only have 1/4 of the chance of getting it looted to you. Times 3 ... for the amount of people he's abusing each group.

100 * 4 * 3 = 1200 people per day that he's having queue up only to sprint in, loot chests, and die. Then wait for them to take the debuff so he can do it again, instantly. With the tank queue. I can imagine he has many times over 100 tickets in that are complaining about him.

[Cirsce]

Wow, is this considered an exploit or just a stradegy for bad tanks? Because I can tell you something to be honest. A bad group calls for a tank to get in a pretty bad mood.

I wasn't the best tank in my younger years but I still got critique, and not this creative critique either. some very harsh language put in them.

He/she could be having an off-day, discovered this "loop-hole" by convenience, you know?

I'm not sure what that last word means, "group abandonment debuff" ...wats that? (i never sticked around to learn these things) XD

Yes, people are overly critical of tanks and healers a like. I've had bad tanks and good tanks. It wasn't anything like that.

He's using the role of "tank" to get instant queue times. Waiting for everyone's cut scene to end so he can move and then sprinting off and dragging the entire instance with him and not stopping til hes dead. While looting chests.

The second time I was with him he did the exact same thing. It wasn't someone trying to "learn" how to tank. He only started talking when it was apparent that we weren't leaving AND we were going to report him. That's when he told us that he was doing it all for the chest drops to sell on the market.

It's pretty obvious he knew he was using the queue system and the people in it to abuse the system since he's said that 100s of people of sent in tickets against him.

The group abandonment debuff is what you get from leaving your queue instance group early. To make people want to stick it out instead of just dropping and getting a better group.

[PSxpert2011]

Yes, people are overly critical of tanks and healers a like. I've had bad tanks and good tanks. It wasn't anything like that.

He's using the role of "tank" to get instant queue times. Waiting for everyone's cut scene to end so he can move and then sprinting off and dragging the entire instance with him and not stopping til hes dead. While looting chests.

The second time I was with him he did the exact same thing. It wasn't someone trying to "learn" how to tank. He only started talking when it was apparent that we weren't leaving AND we were going to report him. That's when he told us that he was doing it all for the chest drops to sell on the market.

It's pretty obvious he knew he was using the queue system and the people in it to abuse the system since he's said that 100s of people of sent in tickets against him.

The group abandonment debuff is what you get from leaving your queue instance group early. To make people want to stick it out instead of just dropping and getting a better group.

This is a flaw in design and it all points to the system not being able to discern whether or not a person in his/her own right can exploit this measure to be used maliciously. It's another way SE can dictate how we should play our game using "systems" instead leaving it vulnerable for opportunist: Leaving others to bare the burden and unfortunate disturbance in "the force".

I can't believe this issue went pass the testing phase and if anyone caught this because it ruins other players fun-time. We should just have dungeons left open because people are going to play the way they want anyway. For the sake of the story-mode, dungeons should be instanced until they're cleared in story mode.

For every resolve there's always going to be new problems and that's way I support open dungeons to a limit.

Instanced dungeons have their rules and are regulated but the system is too convoluted. Take away the timed penalty and it's about time the DEVs add the old fashion "KICK" function.