RMT and the Market

[Amenian]

Amenian, reread my post. *Report/Jail* Daas understood what was being said, so again reread. You can report a player anytime, but report/jailing is a different story. that is what was typed. Don't attack people on what they say without fully understanding what was said. Reading Comprehension is a Good Thing.

See, I wasn't attacking anybody, so calm your tits. I was asking you to take another look at your idea.

I also think giving players the power to jail people, regardless of their level is a bad, bad idea. Punitive action, even arrest, should only be handled by SE. If they don't have enough GMs, hire more, but don't give players that kind of power. It will be abused and any amount of punitive actions for abuse will not prevent it.

[Vaen]

Ugh, THIS thread again?

Some people play the game only for the game economy. A huge reason I play FFXIV is because I like to earn gil from the market boards while I level crafting. Without the market boards a huge chunk of the game would be pointless for me. What you're proposing only ruins the game.

Even though it isn't instantaneous or clearly visible to us, I'm pretty sure SE is taking action against the botters and RMTers and they're doing it in a way that isn't going to royally fuck up the game.

Anyway, how will temporarily locking the market board actually solve anything? Whats to stop RMTers from coming back once they unlock it?

[Riko_113]

Ugh, THIS thread again?

Some people play the game only for the game economy. A huge reason I play FFXIV is because I like to earn gil from the market boards while I level crafting. Without the market boards a huge chunk of the game would be pointless for me. What you're proposing only ruins the game.
Even though it isn't instantaneous or clearly visible to us, I'm pretty sure SE is taking action against the botters and RMTers and they're doing it in a way that isn't going to royally fuck up the game.

Anyway, how will temporarily locking the market board actually solve anything? Whats to stop RMTers from coming back once they unlock it?

The fact that you play an MMO exclusively for the market is just wierd but if that's your thing...have fun. I'd recommend trying Ebay, personally.

Players with that priority are such a freaking small minority that I don't see how anyone could take that into consideration when making decisions regarding the good of the whole player base. I'm sure they are working on it and they've made progress but this would only be a temporary method of alleviating the RMT problem until then.

And your last question wasn't even necessary. In my original post i said "until they solve the problem...they should LOCK the Market". Meaning that once the problem is solved and the market is unlocked...so there would be no issue with the RMTs coming back afterwards. <.<

[Vaen]

Players with that priority are such a freaking small minority that I don't see how anyone could take that into consideration when making decisions regarding the good of the whole player base. I'm sure they are working on it and they've made progress but this would only be a temporary method of alleviating the RMT problem until then.

And your last question wasn't even necessary. In my original post i said "until they solve the problem...they should LOCK the Market". Meaning that once the problem is solved and the market is unlocked...so there would be no issue with the RMTs coming back afterwards. <.<

What makes you think that crafters and gatherers who play this game for the in-game economy are such a small minority? There are huge free companies dedicated just to crafting. Crafting is an integral part of this game and the in-game economy is a big draw for many players. It's also what keeps a lot of players subscribing and active in the game.

Maybe you haven't played a lot of MMOs? How can you not understand how essential the game economy is to this type of game? It kinda boggles my mind.

Also, there's no magic way that they can definitively "solve the problem" forever. No matter what they do, RMTers and hackers will still try to find ways around the system. So how would they know when to unlock the boards?

And as soon as they did unlock the boards, RMTers and botters would rush to find new ways to mess with things. Your "solution" to lock the boards until somehow the problem is "solved" doesn't actually help the situation in any way.

[Riko_113]

complaining

Um, because it's a fact that they are a minority. You're confusing other players interest in the economy and crafting/gathering as them caring more about it than anything else. For every "huge" FC for crafting there is 100 or more for PVE or PVP(and even pvp is a minority).

I've played MMOs for over 10 years. Don't try to make up things to prove your point. And speaking of other MMOs. If the economy is your sole focus, there are plenty of other MMOs with fully established economies you could be playing since they are rarely as different as normal MMO content.

You're right, there is no magic way, however with your vast MMO experience you should know that most MMOs have done an excellent job of decreasing RMTs to the point where it's not just a burden to the players. Please stop scraping for things to try and make a valid point other than "I don't like this because I want money". They will know when to open when they have found a solution that they feel will eliminate a bulk of the problem. Simple as that.

Again, you're scraping here. Every criminal group in the world for all of human history has worked to find ways around blockades..it's kind of their job. Human nature is not a reason to give up looking for solutions or Laws, and Law enforcement wouldn't exist. Stop trying to support RMT just because you don't want to miss out on being the Market top seller.

You've clearly missed the point. My suggestion to temporarily close the market place wasn't meant as the solution. It is a temporary measure to help the game until a solution has been implemented. All you've done is rage how you don't want to lose money and how you think that people who do nothing but play the Market are the ones that keep this game running. If you didn't agree that this method would help, explain why and provide an alternative. The fact you don't like this method is irrelevant.

[Tupsi]

Locking the market board does nothing - If RMT vendors all of the items they get from botting, the amount of this + the unmanned nature of botting = Tons of gil, so you'd have to lock selling to NPCs as well and you pretty much hinder everyone at that point.

[Riko_113]

Locking the market board does nothing - If RMT vendors all of the items they get from botting, the amount of this + the unmanned nature of botting = Tons of gil, so you'd have to lock selling to NPCs as well and you pretty much hinder everyone at that point.

I appreciate you actually giving input.

But if it was as lucrative as the Market, why would they bother giving up 5% of their money on each transaction instead of just vendoring in the first place. Also, it completely cuts out a major method of transfering the money through the Market as well as all of the people who got caught up in it by unknowingly buying/selling to them. Normal Vendors don't provide any of those options.

@Astralen "R M T" Real Money Traders. The people that are spamming chat all day and botting to sell gil to players for real money on their websites as well as hacking player accounts.

[Tupsi]

I appreciate you actually giving input.
But if it was as lucrative as the Market, why would they bother giving up 5% of their money on each transaction instead of just vendoring in the first place.

Market Boards are just the fastest way to do it even if you lose a portion of it - Even being unmanned it would take quite awhile to get the same sum of gil through NPC that you could get from 1 set of shards on markets. A lot of RMT from what I seen either asks you to friend them so they can mail money or they buy certain item(s) from you, so it does get rid of a way for SE to see who is doing RMT but you can't really stop em from making gil since like in 1.0, they can easily create numerous characters (or hacks :\) to run initial quests and low level crafting rewards ad infinitum.

[Riko_113]

Market Boards are just the fastest way to do it

Every MMO i've played over the past 10 years has created lesser solutions to RMTs by SLOWING them down. Which is why there are level caps and friend request requirements. As others have said, there may be no permanent solution but slowing them down is a damn good place to start and very effective.

[Annah]

I know no one wants to hear this, but until they solve the problem...they should LOCK the Market. No market means RMT lose huge incentives and resources to do their thing.

If I'm wrong about this making things harder on RMTs please let me know(it's just how I see it) but if you just don't want to lose Market access because you won't be rolling in dough I'm not interested(but feel free to post anyway).

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No offense to you, but this is probably one of the worse ideas I have heard of on these forums. I am blessed you are not a developer!

I am not playing the game for combat. Yes, I have a lvl 43 WHM but I haven't leveled her in two weeks. I am a crafter and I am a gatherer. You take out the market then you basically take away many other things tied to it