Legit Players Banned/Punished due to RMT *FOR DUMMIES: A GUIDE*

[Tupsi]

Great post, I was suspended an gil stripped, yet agree with that totally.

We want SE to get a real GM to actually investigate ours accounts, if we are lying, then please ban us lol, if we are telling the truth give our gil back and 7 days game time credit!

They already did this - If you were innocent, you're playing again. You only have the people who buy gil and people who "create gil" through dupes to blame for them removing gil.

[Masked]

They already did this - If you were innocent, you're playing again. You only have the people who buy gil and people who "create gil" through dupes to blame for them removing gil.

I disagree with this.

They still worked for what they had regardless of if their items were purchased with duped gill or not.

Just as most of you hardcore first 50's farmed your gear in broken content, you were allowed to keep it...So regardless of the situation, they were simply bystanders.

The lack of REAL Customer Service is actually the worst part of the issue. Had there been REAL CS, SE would more than likely be getting a pat on the back. As of right now, it's the exact opposite because they lack competence.

[ashikenshin]

I disagree with this.

They still worked for what they had regardless of if their items were purchased with duped gill or not.

Just as most of you hardcore first 50's farmed your gear in broken content, you were allowed to keep it...So regardless of the situation, they were simply bystanders.

The lack of REAL Customer Service is actually the worst part of the issue. Had there been REAL CS, SE would more than likely be getting a pat on the back. As of right now, it's the exact opposite because they lack competence.

I have no sympathy for someone who "works" in a game.

[Tupsi]

I disagree with this.

They still worked for what they had regardless of if their items were purchased with duped gill or not.

The problem with this is, a lot of us crafter and gatherers worked hard but that doesn't mean anything when the gil we obtained was gil through dupes. By all rights we shouldn't keep any of that gil because SE is trying to avoid hurting the economy even more, if you were on a legacy server above all you'd realize just how ridiculous of prices people are selling things for, some even 400% profit. SE didn't revert your progress for example so you maintained what you worked for (leveling your gather/craft), this is why I said you only have people to blame for losing money (if you did) because the money you obtained wasn't "real" money to begin with. This is why some JP players on a similar topic used the counterfeit money analogy.

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding here. There is no way that a crafter or gatherer could have avoided making large sums of gil if they were persistent with their career.

And I'm one of them and didn't get suspended - However people said "it works differently on legacy worlds" ...well ok, but I only came over with a "handful" of gil due to them chopping off a 0 and the millions I made were strictly from leveling Weaver and Culinarian in ARR.

[Soukyuu]

I have yet to see any proof anyone is innocent or guilty; and it's probably impossible to show this unless SE makes their findings public.

I cannot take any sides because I don't have the evidence.

I don't want innocent players to be wrongfully punished, yet I don't want to help cheaters get their stuff back.

Pretty much this. And I don't think SE will ever give us that evidence.

When people are selling Sarngas for 500k-1mill on legacy servers a week after launch then claiming not to have suspected the people buying them were RMT strikes me as disingenuous.

A lot of legacy players had to farm leves to level since everything else wasn't viable at first. Leves also gave very high rewards in the tens of thousands of gil per leve back then (look at the old achievements, if you can). There were many people who hit the gil cap, so 500k (or 5M, if you count the old money) is literally peanuts for those people.

[Tupsi]

I'm still waiting for proof myself - As a level 50 weaver and especially a level 50 cook with all the gil I've made with these two crafts alone I'm pretty sure statistically I would have sold to RMT (seller or buyer) at some point and was never touched. I don't disbelieve it, I just highly doubt that is the only thing thing SE looks for. That was never the case in XI and the only time people ever got caught that was innocent was because the trap SE set had no bounds. (Gardening.)

[Quesse]

Player A buys gil
Player B sells 99 logs for 4.5k on the market boards
Player A buys 99 log for 4.5k on the market boards from Player B's retainer
Player B makes a profit and receives gil from a player whose gil was obtained from cheating
Player B is banned for 5-10 days of a paid amount of time, and when returned to the game, has went from 1 million gil to 100k

So SE confirmed that this is what happened, or is this just a theory/guess?

The problem I have with this theory is that the person who went from 1mil to 100k probably made more than 100k just from doing quests. So where did all that other gil go?? Obviously no one has the full picture of what is happening.

[Masked]

So SE confirmed that this is what happened, or is this just a theory/guess?

It actually is happening but, the only thing SE has actually "publicized" is the fact that they banned RMTers. They have no mention of those stuck in the crossfire.

As I said before, one of my best gaming buddies was the first 50 miner on cactaur. Made over 3m JUST SELLING MATS. As of right now, he has @200k left and an email from SE basically telling him that he's guilty. (Horrifically written too btw)

When he spoke to a GM (Took over 24 hours) the GM told him that nothing could be done and to talk to Phone Support. When he called Phone Support (A 4 hour call with an EXCEEDINGLY LONG WAIT TIME) they told him to talk to GM's.

The bottom line is that they're blindingly banning anyone associated with the Gil and they don't have the CS resources to deal with those that were banned just for selling mats and legitimately receiving the gil.

[Sadebreth]

So far this is what others in some threads that were deleted have admitted to. First to 50. Put high end stuff on the AH for prices that they knew no one would be able to afford except those that bought gil (we are talking in the millions). That is what I have gathered from most of the threads I have read on the issue.

[Gazelleee]

First to 50. Put high end stuff on the AH for prices that they knew no one would be able to afford except those that bought gil (we are talking in the millions).

This is my issue. Let me preface this by saying I believe this is BS by SE and that those that were found innocent and unsuspended should not have been treated this way.

BUT, I feel it seems the people who got this treatment are the ones that were selling 2stars for 1 million gil to fresh 50s in week 2-3. Obviously that gil is tainted.

HOWEVER, automatically assuming the crafter knew that may not be fair, but they should have had an idea. Either way, if the money is to be taken out, it should SOLELY be the money for that purchase, and the item should be returned.

Assuming it is just the people with > Xmil gil that got screwed, then those that bought those 2star and did not purchase gil in bulk, they still get to keep their item, whereas the legit crafter gets punished.