Legit Players Banned/Punished due to RMT *FOR DUMMIES: A GUIDE*

[Shadowzanon]

Square has logs of the transactions. They do need to get rid of the duped gil from the market, thus people losing money. Many items were utterly overpriced and those putting the prices (crafted armor mostly) knew what they were doing. at first as people where hitting 50 , the weapons needed for the relic quest which requires just a drop from wanderers palace which is easly obtainable and 3 other easly obtainable items jacked the price to hell and back. then the lvl 70 crafted armor way over reasonable prices. Of course the desprate goes ahead and buys gil to meet these rediculous demands knowing not many would even have 1/6 of the gil demanded for the item. they shot themselves in their own feet when they decided 1.5 mil was decent enough for a crafted lvl 70 item without materia involved (back then) Now those prices have dropped considerably.

[MorbidAngel]

To my knowledge there was a suspected gil dupe, if you will, that allowed people to sell a certain event item for a high amount an infinite number of times so technically the was tons of gil created that was not supposed to be in the economy so most of the players that had this gil in their possession had it removed. Not sure of the specifics, but this is what I heard.

[Aegis]

When people are selling Sarngas for 500k-1mill on legacy servers a week after launch then claiming not to have suspected the people buying them were RMT strikes me as disingenuous. That's twice to three times what the average player completes the main storyline with.

It's harsh for the crafter, very harsh, but hopefully they only have to do this dragnet once or twice to cut RMT off at the root.

[scarebearz]

I have yet to see any proof anyone is innocent or guilty; and it's probably impossible to show this unless SE makes their findings public.

I cannot take any sides because I don't have the evidence.

I don't want innocent players to be wrongfully punished, yet I don't want to help cheaters get their stuff back.

Great post, I was suspended an gil stripped, yet agree with that totally.

We want SE to get a real GM to actually investigate ours accounts, if we are lying, then please ban us lol, if we are telling the truth give our gil back and 7 days game time credit!

[Tupsi]

Great post, I was suspended an gil stripped, yet agree with that totally.

We want SE to get a real GM to actually investigate ours accounts, if we are lying, then please ban us lol, if we are telling the truth give our gil back and 7 days game time credit!

They already did this - If you were innocent, you're playing again. You only have the people who buy gil and people who "create gil" through dupes to blame for them removing gil.

[Masked]

They already did this - If you were innocent, you're playing again. You only have the people who buy gil and people who "create gil" through dupes to blame for them removing gil.

I disagree with this.

They still worked for what they had regardless of if their items were purchased with duped gill or not.

Just as most of you hardcore first 50's farmed your gear in broken content, you were allowed to keep it...So regardless of the situation, they were simply bystanders.

The lack of REAL Customer Service is actually the worst part of the issue. Had there been REAL CS, SE would more than likely be getting a pat on the back. As of right now, it's the exact opposite because they lack competence.

[ashikenshin]

I disagree with this.

They still worked for what they had regardless of if their items were purchased with duped gill or not.

Just as most of you hardcore first 50's farmed your gear in broken content, you were allowed to keep it...So regardless of the situation, they were simply bystanders.

The lack of REAL Customer Service is actually the worst part of the issue. Had there been REAL CS, SE would more than likely be getting a pat on the back. As of right now, it's the exact opposite because they lack competence.

I have no sympathy for someone who "works" in a game.

[YuriRamona]

Yeah...I'm pretty certain SE isn't banning someone who received 4,500 gill from a gilbuyer for a stack of logs. That's pretty small potatoes. 4,500,000 gil for a stack of logs, however...

Square has logs of the transactions. They do need to get rid of the duped gil from the market, thus people losing money. Many items were utterly overpriced and those putting the prices (crafted armor mostly) knew what they were doing. at first as people where hitting 50 , the weapons needed for the relic quest which requires just a drop from wanderers palace which is easly obtainable and 3 other easly obtainable items jacked the price to hell and back. then the lvl 70 crafted armor way over reasonable prices. Of course the desprate goes ahead and buys gil to meet these rediculous demands knowing not many would even have 1/6 of the gil demanded for the item. they shot themselves in their own feet when they decided 1.5 mil was decent enough for a crafted lvl 70 item without materia involved (back then) Now those prices have dropped considerably.

To my knowledge there was a suspected gil dupe, if you will, that allowed people to sell a certain event item for a high amount an infinite number of times so technically the was tons of gil created that was not supposed to be in the economy so most of the players that had this gil in their possession had it removed. Not sure of the specifics, but this is what I heard.

When people are selling Sarngas for 500k-1mill on legacy servers a week after launch then claiming not to have suspected the people buying them were RMT strikes me as disingenuous. That's twice to three times what the average player completes the main storyline with.

It's harsh for the crafter, very harsh, but hopefully they only have to do this dragnet once or twice to cut RMT off at the root.

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding here. There is no way that a crafter or gatherer could have avoided making large sums of gil if they were persistent with their career.

Even if a crafter or gatherer were to sell their items at a fraction of the prevailing market price, by virtue of economics, their volume of sale would likewise increase, and their profits would be magnified.

How would a crafter or gatherer even know what the fair, non-RMT-inflated price for their goods is supposed to be? Is it half of the current price? A thousandth? Are they expected to source all materials themselves in order to avoid buying cost-inflated base ingredients from the market board for their crafts? Are they supposed to sell finished equipment at cost, with no profit for themselves?

[Tupsi]

I disagree with this.

They still worked for what they had regardless of if their items were purchased with duped gill or not.

The problem with this is, a lot of us crafter and gatherers worked hard but that doesn't mean anything when the gil we obtained was gil through dupes. By all rights we shouldn't keep any of that gil because SE is trying to avoid hurting the economy even more, if you were on a legacy server above all you'd realize just how ridiculous of prices people are selling things for, some even 400% profit. SE didn't revert your progress for example so you maintained what you worked for (leveling your gather/craft), this is why I said you only have people to blame for losing money (if you did) because the money you obtained wasn't "real" money to begin with. This is why some JP players on a similar topic used the counterfeit money analogy.

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding here. There is no way that a crafter or gatherer could have avoided making large sums of gil if they were persistent with their career.

And I'm one of them and didn't get suspended - However people said "it works differently on legacy worlds" ...well ok, but I only came over with a "handful" of gil due to them chopping off a 0 and the millions I made were strictly from leveling Weaver and Culinarian in ARR.

[Soukyuu]

I have yet to see any proof anyone is innocent or guilty; and it's probably impossible to show this unless SE makes their findings public.

I cannot take any sides because I don't have the evidence.

I don't want innocent players to be wrongfully punished, yet I don't want to help cheaters get their stuff back.

Pretty much this. And I don't think SE will ever give us that evidence.

When people are selling Sarngas for 500k-1mill on legacy servers a week after launch then claiming not to have suspected the people buying them were RMT strikes me as disingenuous.

A lot of legacy players had to farm leves to level since everything else wasn't viable at first. Leves also gave very high rewards in the tens of thousands of gil per leve back then (look at the old achievements, if you can). There were many people who hit the gil cap, so 500k (or 5M, if you count the old money) is literally peanuts for those people.