At this point in the game, "rushing" is not a valid argument.

[Kosmos992k]

If you do leves, gathering is fast. If you don't, its slow. Same with just grinding mobs to level. If you grind mobs, its slow. If you do quests, its extremely fast.

You said it yourself - you *can*...but you don't *have* to.

I've played nearly everyday since launch for a minimum of 2 hours a day, probably more, and I am not level 50 yet in my main class. Nor is my primary crafter/gathering class 50.

What have I been doing? Let's see, I explored, I tried many things out, I've done FATE and leves, dungeons and primal battles, I've chatted with my friends, I've gathered for my crafting friends, they've crafted for me, we set up our free company, and I've had a lot of fun. What I have not done is FATE grind, leve grind, power level, dungeon grind, treat playing my enjoyable game as if it were a job that requires my undivided attention to progress as fast as possible.

They key point I want to make is that as you said you *can* level quickly through various means, but as I have said, you don't *have* to. Power leveling is your choice, I consider it rushing. I also think that it is interesting that you're posting basically to say to people "I'm level 50, stop telling my I rushed, you're just too slow to keep up." . You don't like being told that you rushed, so instead you're flipping it round to tell everyone else that it's so easy to level to 50 without trying that if they haven't done it already, something is wrong. Sorry, no, that's not it at all. this is a subscription based MMORPG, it's designed to be played for years, and yet within little more than a month of playing you have already reached end-game and are impatient. How is that not rushing the game?


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I have to post a reply here because of the asinine forum restriction placed on posters due to their level....::rolls eyes::

"Stop calling people rushers because they are level 50 already and you aren't."

OK, but the reverse is true as well. If you are a player that reached level 50, and you are bored waiting for others to catch up, don't tell them they are taking too long, or demand that they hurry up. I see both sides of the coin, many in my FC are lvl 50, some did rush, others took more time, but those that got there early have expressed frustration that others took so long. Of course folks on this forum are not always polite with their frustration. If you're only pointing out that hitting lvl 50 by now is not rushing, I can agree, but your post seemed to me like it was leaning towards saying that folks that haven;t hit 50 yet are taking their time and too slow. If that was not your intent, then I apologize for seeing that interpretation of your words and reacting.

[Dorfentyme]

You said it yourself - you *can*...but you don't *have* to.

I've played nearly everyday since launch for a minimum of 2 hours a day, probably more, and I am not level 50 yet in my main class. Nor is my primary crafter/gathering class 50.

What have I been doing? Let's see, I explored, I tried many things out, I've done FATE and leves, dungeons and primal battles, I've chatted with my friends, I've gathered for my crafting friends, they've crafted for me, we set up our free company, and I've had a lot of fun. What I have not done is FATE grind, leve grind, power level, dungeon grind, treat playing my enjoyable game as if it were a job that requires my undivided attention to progress as fast as possible.

They key point I want to make is that as you said you *can* level quickly through various means, but as I have said, you don't *have* to. Power leveling is your choice, I consider it rushing. I also think that it is interesting that you're posting basically to say to people "I'm level 50, stop telling my I rushed, you're just too slow to keep up." . You don't like being told that you rushed, so instead you're flipping it round to tell everyone else that it's so easy to level to 50 without trying that if they haven't done it already, something is wrong. Sorry, no, that's not it at all. this is a subscription based MMORPG, it's designed to be played for years, and yet within little more than a month of playing you have already reached end-game and are impatient. How is that not rushing the game?

Just because someone chose to do leves for their mining and you didn't, doesn't mean they are a rusher, it just means they didn't want to peck at a node and run in circles for 2 hours just to level once or twice. That doesn't make them a rusher. The only way to power level in this game is to just spam run FATEs over and over. All the other ways are NOT considered power leveling. It's just called playing the game.

If you try to hit 50 in this game, you will. The game isn't challenging to hit 50 in, it doesn't take a lot of time at all. My point was simply this:

"Stop calling people rushers because they are level 50 already and you aren't." That doesn't mean they rushed, it just means they spent their time leveling their class while you sat in the water pretending to take a bath with your virtual character. There's nothing wrong with that, but that doesn't mean the person isn't a rusher. It just means he doesn't care if his character has had a recent bath or not. Stop reading too much into it.

It's funny, I did all the same things you did over the past month. Started a linkshell, joined a FC, done some FATEs(not many, mind you, I don't like them that much), done a few leves, did my guildhests, did primal battles for MANY people(tanking for them so they wouldn't have a long queue), explored all the zones entirely, gathering and did some blacksmithing, farmed for gil, and had a lot of fun. But I'm also 50 because I chose to stick to one class instead of being burned out by all the different classes and burning myself out on all the content I've ALREADY done. I JUST leveled from 1-50, why would I want to repeat all that content again so quickly? Why is it so hard to believe that some people want to level their alt jobs 6 months down the road when the content hasn't just been completed for them?

To reiterate: Just because someone hit 50 before you, doesn't mean they were rushing. Just because they were playing the game and using all the options to level at their disposal instead of basking in the sunrise(which I'll do IRL if I want a beautiful sunrise), doesn't mean they are rushing. You literally have to TRY to not level fast in this game if you were to stick to just one job.

[Naunet]

They key point I want to make is that as you said you *can* level quickly through various means, but as I have said, you don't *have* to. Power leveling is your choice, I consider it rushing. I also think that it is interesting that you're posting basically to say to people "I'm level 50, stop telling my I rushed, you're just too slow to keep up." . You don't like being told that you rushed, so instead you're flipping it round to tell everyone else that it's so easy to level to 50 without trying that if they haven't done it already, something is wrong. Sorry, no, that's not it at all. this is a subscription based MMORPG, it's designed to be played for years, and yet within little more than a month of playing you have already reached end-game and are impatient. How is that not rushing the game?

You're missing the point. I have found the time to carry on a lot of roleplay, level my side classes, level crafting classes, level alts (multiple classes to 15 or higher on three different alts so far), help lower level players with dungeons and story trials, and even play a completely different MMO (Rift). I've done crap tons aside from just pushing to 50 on WHM (through a combination of the story quest, did all the side quests and read all the quest text, hunting logs, GC logs, and lots of instancing - sat on Dzemael for a good time because I was trying to farm up the Coliseum set), and the past two weeks I haven't even played XIV more than a few hours at a time in the evening, sometimes not at all. And yet I still hit 50 last week.

Don't tell me I rushed because I did not do anything of the sort. How hard is this to comprehend?

[Sixmp]

Just because someone chose to do leves for their mining and you didn't, doesn't mean they are a rusher, it just means they didn't want to peck at a node and run in circles for 2 hours just to level once or twice. That doesn't make them a rusher. The only way to power level in this game is to just spam run FATEs over and over. All the other ways are NOT considered power leveling. It's just called playing the game.


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Here is the thing from my perspective people get called rushers because they jump into a game and concentrate 100% getting to max level then once they hit that and do everything to do with end game they jump onto the forums within a month of the game being launched and start crying about how little content there is for them to do.
I would think it would only be fair to point out that they refuse simple things like leveling another class or do some crafting or gathering . No they want more endgame content which they will do as fast as they possible can. Some rushers even plan for it. So they can stay up days at a time with hardly any sleep.

Yes i am pointing out an extreme case. some rushers only stay up 24 hours or just play 12 hours a day for a couple of weeks.

So if that isn't rushing.. what is?

There is plenty to do. If people don't want to level all of the classes/jobs/crafting/fishing/gathering etc fair enough but don't expect people to rush to agree with you when you have nothing to do.
There is lots to do in this game to last until SE add more content.

[Retrograde]

If we could meet halfway and agree that "rushed" is a subjective judgment and not a pejorative truth, could we all hug?

[Dorfentyme]

Here is the thing from my perspective people get called rushers because they jump into a game and concentrate 100% getting to max level then once they hit that and do everything to do with end game they jump onto the forums within a month of the game being launched and start crying about how little content there is for them to do.
I would think it would only be fair to point out that they refuse simple things like leveling another class or do some crafting or gathering . No they want more endgame content which they will do as fast as they possible can. Some rushers even plan for it. So they can stay up days at a time with hardly any sleep.

Yes i am pointing out an extreme case. some rushers only stay up 24 hours or just play 12 hours a day for a couple of weeks.

So if that isn't rushing.. what is?

There is plenty to do. If people don't want to level all of the classes/jobs/crafting/fishing/gathering etc fair enough but don't expect people to rush to agree with you when you have nothing to do.
There is lots to do in this game to last until SE add more content.

You mentioned 2 different types of people and confused them as one.

Someone who says "I want to focus on a single class, and do end game content." Is not a rusher. In fact, that's what A LOT of MMO players do. That doesn't make them rushers.

Someone who says "I want to focus on a single class, get hit to max level as fast as possible, and blow through the endgame content as fast as possible." IS a rusher.

They are 2 completely different types of people. Some people play MMOs for the endgame, that doesn't make you a rusher. Someone who rushes through all the content as fast as humanly possible IS a rusher. They are 2 completely different things.

[Svennyblaze]

If you are a rusher or as Dorf said a person who wants to focus on a single class and do end game content and come on here and complain people are not going to have any sympathy for you. If you did any research at all before purchasing this game you would have known exactly what content would be out at launch. Also you would have known when and mostly what new content is due.

People come here and constantly complain about not enough end game content and its getting annoying. It is entirely your fault that you have played it all insane numbers of times. If all you are concerned about is end game content why on earth would you purchase an MMO at launch and then a month in be surprised there isnt tons for you to do.

[Rivienne]

To reiterate: Just because someone hit 50 before you, doesn't mean they were rushing. Just because they were playing the game and using all the options to level at their disposal instead of basking in the sunrise(which I'll do IRL if I want a beautiful sunrise), doesn't mean they are rushing. You literally have to TRY to not level fast in this game if you were to stick to just one job.

You appear to be missing something fundamental here: You are conflating one approach to gaming as being the only one that isn't the one you took, even as you attack others for doing the same to you. As I said before I have no issue whatsoever with the approach you took. It isn't the only one. Nor is the "bask in the sunrise" approach the only other one.

While I don't approve of the attitude of those who bash the approach you took with this game, I also have an issue with this argument of yours which is in turn trying to belittle other players who didn't play the same way as you.

For fun to see on my own time table what it would take to hit 50 if that were my only focus, I did some rough math this morning, I leveled an arcanist a few levels before work, trying to do nothing but leveling for the sake of argument, but still taking the time to read the story bubbles and instructions (because I would never play without actually trying to follow the storyline). I timed how long it would take at that rate to level from 0 to 50 if everything was a constant rate of leveling: 95 hours, give or take, which is including 1 hour per story dungeon(including any queue time) being hit once, and only once. Obviously this is based on my own rate of play, but I wasn't intentionally taking it slow, I was trying to be fairly efficient about it to make it a reasonable benchmark. And this is without any side activities such as exploring, or watching the sunset, or playing with gathering etc.

So 95 hours, say at 25 hours a week, is 4 weeks. So by your own metric, it is in fact perfectly possible that a "casual" with 25 hours a week whose sole goal was to hit 50 (but cared about the storyline), to hit 50 by now. If everything went perfectly for them, they never repeated a dungeon (and always did it the first run through, in under an hour), and never had a long queue, or managed to use the queue time to continue leveling via other means. Or if there were simply faster than I am.

Which is a lot of ifs. For those who rerun dungeons it will take longer. For those who had to take several tries to pass primals/dungeons, it will take longer. For those who always needed the full amount of time to beat a dungeon, it will take longer. For those who when faced with a long queue leveled a different class, or didn't do anything, it will take longer. For those who have less than 25 a week it will take longer. For those who are slower to play/learn it will take longer. The point being there are a lot of factors just taking into account the dungeons.

I personally have run dungeons successfully over 50 times ( It is actually a lot more, especially over if you count failures, but lets stop and look just at the 50 number).

50 dungeon runs, at an average of 40 minutes each, is 33 hours. I have already stated that is about how much time I spend in a week. So even if that is all I had done besides leveling, it would take me at least 5 weeks to hit 50. Not by not trying, but because I was running dungeons more.

This being my first MMO I could be incorrect so feel free to interject on this point, but I was made to understand that dungeon raids were the key goal of many people. So how is running dungeons prior to level 50 "trying not to level fast" or "not playing the game"? I am not being argumentative or snarky here, I truly don't understand why what I am doing is somehow wrong or abnormal by your standards or "trying not to level".

There are many ways to play, and yours isn't the only one, nor are those who play differently "trying not to level" necessarily (though certainly I know there are some like that). Your attempt to attack those who in turn attack you isn't helpful to getting your own real issues with the game across, it just makes for a negative thread where everyone tries to undermine each others point of view.

Everyone is entitled to play this game how they prefer, and SE is hopefully going to look at the larger view. But this never ending attacking of other peoples play style isn't going to help get your point across. And that is how you came across in the OP, and subsequent posts. There are ways of getting your opinion across without resorting to the underhanded attacks of other people, even if they are doing the same to you in turn, but that is not how you presented yourself here.

Pushing past the hostility in this thread and others like it: I agree with the point that they probably could have and maybe even should have waited until 2.1 to release. Some aspects of the launch do feel rushed. Certainly a longer open beta or longer early access would have given them time to address many of the server issues prior to launch. And some of the subsequent quality of life issues we know are coming in 2.1 also would have made a difference for players of all styles, not just yours. But attacking others is not a valid way to get this point across, nor a way to foster understanding or compromise on an obviously currently divisive topic.

[Starlord]

Rushing in itself is fine to do and I don't care if anyone does. It's the fact that people that get 50 do end-game and complain afterwards that there is nothing to do, IS in fact rushing (in a bad sense). Meaning, you cry for more end-game content, and if you don't get it you threaten to leave.

Like I said before more to "this" game than leveling 1 class to 50 then do end-game. This game gives you a lot to do pre-endgame, if you choose to not do it that's fine, but don't complain there's nothing to do, when there is a lot.

[Kanzer]

Funny, as I remember you being picked apart in a thread where you were defending this game tooth and nail and refusing to acknowledge that it has any flaw to it whatsoever. That's called being a fanboy, and they are sometimes MORE detrimental than the supposed "whiners who complain about everything."

If by 'picked apart' you mean the same 2 or 3 whiners (including yourself) attempted to refute my points again and again and failed miserably in doing so, then yes, I was picked apart so bad you don't even know.

I've admitted the game has flaws plenty, your tears are just blurring your vision.

Edit: Btw, I see you still have no AK gear, darklight, or gear from coil. Please continue to tell me how there's nothing to do and how easy everything is.