At this point in the game, "rushing" is not a valid argument.

[HurtigeKarl]

casuals are varying, there are people who can only play 1 hour a day
i consider myself a casual, even though i can play 4 hours daily and 10+ hours on the weekend
the first point of OP is very describing me, i hit 50 within 2 weeks by doing quests and some fates along the way

You are not casual.

Edit: There is actually a massive grey area between hardcore and casual. I believe you are there somewhere in the middle.

[texhnolyze]

You are not casual.

okay, that explains it then lol
perhaps semi casual?
because i believe the hardcores capped their first class within 2-3 days

[Dorfentyme]

You are not casual.

Casual is being used as a VERY broad term.

Casual, today, means any of these things:
- You play 2-24 hours a week
- You LITERALLY stop to smell the roses or watch the sunsets ingame(someone in this very thread said that, too)
- You are terrible at the game
- You have no desire to better yourself
- You hate PvP
- You want everything handed to you easily
- You don't like to do dungeons or end game content
- You don't devote your life to the game

A casual is any of the above. This isn't about who is casual and who is not. All those people can be considered casuals, and they ARE considered casuals. Texhnolyze IS a casual. That's certainly not hardcore.

Note: I do not believe a casual is someone who is bad at the game. This post is merely to point out that casual is thrown out with ANY of the definitions listed above.

[Dochas]

Casual is being used as a VERY broad term.

Casual, today, means any of these things:
- You play 2-24 hours a week
- You LITERALLY stop to smell the roses or watch the sunsets ingame(someone in this very thread said that, too)
- You are terrible at the game
- You have no desire to better yourself
- You hate PvP
- You want everything handed to you easily
- You don't like to do dungeons or end game content
- You don't devote your life to the game

A casual is any of the above. This isn't about who is casual and who is not. All those people can be considered casuals, and they ARE considered casuals. Texhnolyze IS a casual. That's certainly not hardcore.

Casual gets used far to often, but it also has to be taken in context. When talking about leveling, generally casual is amount of time spent playing, since being good or bad at the game doesn't really effect easy quests or fate grinding, nor does half the other stuff on your list. 40 hours a week is a job, 40 hours a week of playing a game is not casual, no matter what other ways you want to describe casual.

I consider myself casual even though the only things that apply to me is I don't devote my life to the game and I don't have as much play time as past MMOs where I have done hardcore raiding. I CAN play for 8-10 hours straight, I just don't usually get the time. Instead I usually have about 2-3 days a week of 2-3 hours and maybe 1 day a week of 4-5 hours.

That said, I have managed to get a 50, although that was just this weekend. I spent a lot of time cross leveling. My lowest class is 10, all my crafting classes are over 15, my gathering classes are all mid 20s. Even though I have a desire to improve my character and enjoy things like dungeons, I still have not felt the need to zerg endgame with one class and then whine about lack of content (though I have been tempted to whine about dungeon queues -_-). Now that I have a 50, I am having trouble deciding what to do, not because I'm out of content, but because I want to do so much. I want to level at least 3 other combat classes to 50, though probably more, and I'm trying to decide the order. I want to level most of the crafting classes to 50, probably all, and again, I have to figure out the order, and I want to cap my gathering classes. Other popular games like WoW didn't have 8 billion raids at launch. There was 1 real raid and 1 single boss raid and you had to run the same dungeons over and over for your set pieces or a good weapon that may not drop. Here there are a few dungeons to grind for tokens so you are guaranteed to get what you want (just no lucky first run drops) and you got HM primals (single boss raids) plus a real raid. First patch is adding another.

They made leveling fairly easy, because many people don't like it. You have the choice to rush one up and feel bored, but this is decent launch content with more on the way.

[Ignnis]

Casual is being used as a VERY broad term.

Casual, today, means any of these things:
- You play 2-24 hours a week
- You LITERALLY stop to smell the roses or watch the sunsets ingame(someone in this very thread said that, too)
- You are terrible at the game
- You have no desire to better yourself
- You hate PvP
- You want everything handed to you easily
- You don't like to do dungeons or end game content
- You don't devote your life to the game

A casual is any of the above. This isn't about who is casual and who is not. All those people can be considered casuals, and they ARE considered casuals. Texhnolyze IS a casual. That's certainly not hardcore.

Wait so just be because I don't like pvp I'm a casual? Well excuuuussseeeeee meeeeeee for wanting to avoid the most toxic part of the community. Oh and I only have one class to 50 and two others below 16 I just enjoy playing the game at a slower pace than you, bite me.

[texhnolyze]

Wait so just be because I don't like pvp I'm a casual? Well excuuuussseeeeee meeeeeee for wanting to avoid the most toxic part of the community. Oh and I only have one class to 50 and two others below 16 I just enjoy playing the game at a slower pace than you, bite me.

he said any of those things, not all of them

[Ignnis]

he said any of those things, not all of them

I listed 2 of the things. I know he said if your any of these your considered a casual, I know, I can read :0

I would label a casual as someone how takes a LOT of time in the game, generally completing it at half or less of the speed of a normal player.

[Dorfentyme]

Wait so just be because I don't like pvp I'm a casual? Well excuuuussseeeeee meeeeeee for wanting to avoid the most toxic part of the community. Oh and I only have one class to 50 and two others below 16 I just enjoy playing the game at a slower pace than you, bite me.

Wow, way to take offense to something you didn't need to. I don't like PvP either for the exact same reason as you. maybe you should try to understand the point my post was making.

THAT Is how people label casuals. NOT ME, but how broad the term is used and how people see casuals as so many different things. Have a coke and a smile and lighten up.

I will never understand, why people who love to Focus on ONE class and Endgame-Raiding only... play new MMOs.

Is the "I was one of the first" so much more important compared to having content?

If you want to have a big endgame content, join a MMO that is >1 Year after release. You have less bugs, more features and more content.

New MMOs will never ever satisfy you - and you should know that by now. How often do you have to make the same mistake over and over again until you notice that?

Some people don't want to be fully burned out with the game and run all of the same content over and over within the first few months of release by leveling alts. I like to level alts later on down the road when I'm tired of my current class and want to take a break. I don't want to play another class while I'm still enjoying Paladin or vice versa. Besides, alt leveling is just running the same content that you've already done. Some people don't like doing that, there's nothing wrong with that. There's a new (low)standard for MMOs these days, and it would be nice for someone to break the mold and actually release a game with decent endgame content at release OR make leveling take long enough(and be fun while taking awhile) that you can't be at endgame so quickly without some new content added in. Standards for gaming in general have lowered, most apologists will just say "GIVE THEM TIME WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, TO GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, HOW DARE YOU!!!"

I play every day and I think the current pacing is fine, the problem is that important end game content is missing and it shows. Without Crystal Tower there's no proper way to gear up for Bahamut's Coil (which is designed for ilevel 80). Tomestones are, as indicated by their relative scarcity and weekly limits, clearly meant to SUPPLEMENT the gear you get from drops but right now they're the ONLY way to get gear at all acceptable for raiding. If Crystal Tower was out right now people would have: another way to get tomestones of mythology and, a way to get ready for Bahamut's Coil that is actually appropriate to their gear level instead of running story dungeons designed for people who just hit 50 over and over again. The game really should have been delayed until CT was finished since right now there's a huge gap in progression and it shows.

Yes, I've said this before and so have many others. The game should've been delayed until 2.1. That would've solved a lot of problems for people. If they want this game to appeal to the masses, they need to cater to all the audiences. I believe there are more than just "hardcore or casual" like so many believe. There's hardcore, there's semi-casual, there's casual, there's PvP, there's the RPers. A lot of the hardcore gamers just want the game to be difficult. If the content isn't difficult, they rush through it and complain because it was too easy and too quick. It's hard to find a nice balance though.

I call total bullshit on the OP's timeframe.

Some people are better/faster/more efficient when they play games than others. I've watched RL friends who are so meticulous with every step that they do. They can't even run and look at the map at the same time. They take so long to get anything done because they are slow to read or slow to spot what they need on the UI. There's nothing wrong with this, just others are faster than those and they AREN'T rushing because they can multitask. If I was a rusher, I wouldn't have stopped for over a week at level 15 to allow my family and friends to catch up(during login restrictions, I was fortunate enough to be able to log in, they were not), nor would I have leveled my mining, or leveled any of my conjurer, or ran everywhere instead of teleporting(except when I was leveling from 49-50, had people waiting on me to run WP, so I had to hurry that level, which was extremely fast). I took my time, but I took my time with a SINGLE class, because that's what I want to play, a paladin. Doesn't make me a rusher because I am able to multi-task efficiently.

I'm a married attorney and I've had the game since launch. In 1.0 I had a 50 BLM. Since early release, I've taken Arcanist to level 24 and am currently on the 4th dungeon. Clearly everyone has a different opinion of what constitutes "casual."

They absolutely do, that's what one of my previous posts was trying to indicate. Instead people saw it as me labeling them and attacking them, which is not what I was doing at all. You can be a casual who plays 24 hours a week. You can be a casual if you play 5 hours a week.

I have been playing casually and tonight I will probably (hopefully) hit 40 on my WHM. I generally play about 3-4 hours a night at most. That is casual. Playing 8-10 hours a day and going through the story in a week isn't casual just because it is easy to do. You still need lots of time to invest in it. Casual players do not have this time to spend on the game. Casuals can play the exact same way as you:

1. Make a new character
2. Do your main story quests up to level 50.

an take twice as long because we can't throw the same amount of time at it as you. How you do it doesn't determine your status. (Casual/Hardcore) The time you can put into it does.

And yet people have so many different views as to what defines casual for them. To you, a casual may be someone who plays 5 hours a week. To others? A casual is anyone who doesn't devote their life to the game like hardcore players can/do. Your view about being a casual isn't more correct than anyone elses. The only thing most people can agree on is a casual is NOT someone who plays 40+ hours a week.

Oh look, it's this guy again. Always gotta be whining about something don'tcha?

/yawn

Funny, as I remember you being picked apart in a thread where you were defending this game tooth and nail and refusing to acknowledge that it has any flaw to it whatsoever. That's called being a fanboy, and they are sometimes MORE detrimental than the supposed "whiners who complain about everything."

[Kanzer]

Funny, as I remember you being picked apart in a thread where you were defending this game tooth and nail and refusing to acknowledge that it has any flaw to it whatsoever. That's called being a fanboy, and they are sometimes MORE detrimental than the supposed "whiners who complain about everything."

If by 'picked apart' you mean the same 2 or 3 whiners (including yourself) attempted to refute my points again and again and failed miserably in doing so, then yes, I was picked apart so bad you don't even know.

I've admitted the game has flaws plenty, your tears are just blurring your vision.

Edit: Btw, I see you still have no AK gear, darklight, or gear from coil. Please continue to tell me how there's nothing to do and how easy everything is.

[Dorfentyme]

Fanboy drivel

Call it what you will, you were torn apart in that thread, trying to defend a completely broken system.

The endgame is this: WP, CM, AK, Praetorium, Coil, and Primals. Its plenty to do. I never said it wasn't. The problem is, you can only run ONE dungeon for Mythology, not to mention HOW few tomes do primals drop? If you stay up to date with your relic quest you have zero incentive to ever repeat the primals after completing them once. WP is a fun dungeon, but people don't like to run it because the reward isn't as high as CM or AK. People don't queue for Praetorium either because CM is the easy cheese dungeon that requires zero skill or thought whatsoever. So, to get to coil, the endgame is grinding CM, or grinding AK. It's incredibly boring and tedious. Thankfully they are adjusting it in 2.1 Which is when I'll come back to play the game.

Ugh, you're one of those guys who determine someones worth as a human-being based on their gear. Well, I'll be glad to explain why I don't have anymore gear. I didn't like the endgame, isn't that apparent? I'll come back when 2.1 hits.

Whining about someone "whining" isn't exactly productive either.

^
I don't know what people want us to do. It does get quite annoying to tell us to "Slow down."
So I agree with OP for the most part. As of yesterday, it's been a month since I started this character and kept it.
I'm not even 50. I don't want to level EVERY Craft and EVERY Job because it does not peek my interest.
You can only go so slow and bog down where you get bored. If FATE's didn't kill sub-leveling I wouldn't
be complaining so bad. Just because folk leveld before you did, didn't mean we rushed.
How long are you going to say people "Rushed" the game leveling ain't a steep curve. If you seriously play, you can get 50 in a week.

There is very low content in this game, it just is. Rushing has nothing to do with it.

- Craft and play the market, which you can't because of RMT and stuff and risk being banned.
- Sub-level, which is a pain in the ass because of FATE's.
- Grind 1 or 2 dungeons all day all night till 2.1.
Not much to do. The game has really cool graphics but it's nothing special at all.

This post rings true on so many levels. Unfortunately fanboys will tell you that you're playing the game wrong, or that you're garbage for not thinking their precious game is 100% perfect. It's truly sickening. Anytime anyone says something even the SLIGHTEST bit negative, they grab their pitchforks and go to town crying. Then call OTHERS whiners. It's sad, and completely detrimental to the longevity of this game. I worry for this games future if Yoshi-P only listens to the fanboys butt-kissing nonsense.