As a SMN, is it worth using Thunder?

[rzr22]

Is it optimal for higher level SMNs to use Thunder or Aero or will they be too busy doing other things? I'm currently a 26 ACN and am curious.

[Kyronex]

SMN can't use Aero, only ACN.

Yes, it's worth it as it's an extra DOT that only takes 2.5 sec to cast. I do it after my usual rotation: Bio II > Miasma > Bio > Fester/Bane > Thunder

[Dixa]

SMN can't use Aero, only ACN.

Yes, it's worth it as it's an extra DOT that only takes 2.5 sec to cast. I do it after my usual rotation: Bio II > Miasma > Bio > Fester/Bane > Thunder

should be bio 2 > miasma > thunder > bio > fester/bane. this makes thunder and bio drop off within a second of each other.

[Kevee]

should be bio 2 > miasma > thunder > bio > fester/bane. this makes thunder and bio drop off within a second of each other.

No.

Thunder -> Bio means you Fester/Bane a GCD later, which means you use Aetherflow a GCD later. It's a chain you don't want to start on. Maximizing Fester usage maximizes our DPS.

[Dixa]

No.

Thunder -> Bio means you Fester/Bane a GCD later, which means you use Aetherflow a GCD later. It's a chain you don't want to start on. Maximizing Fester usage maximizes our DPS.

which matters almost nothing in the grand scheme of things, but matters a lot in managing dot re-application timing. the game has an internal 1s gcd on all abilities, even those off the gcd or with independent gcd's, this is why you cant hit rouse and spur instantly - you hit one and it's a second before the other will activate.

[Conradus]

SMN can't use Aero, only ACN.

Don't forget, SCH can use it.

[Kyronex]

Don't forget, SCH can use it.

This is a SMN thread, not SCH.

Summoners can get thunder, and aero too.

How can Summoners use Aero when they can't draw from CNJ skills? Like I mentioned earlier, only ACN can (as well as SCH).

[fanservice]

This is a SMN thread, not SCH.



How can Summoners use Aero when they can't draw from CNJ skills? Like I mentioned earlier, only ACN can (as well as SCH).

Mistake on my end from unlocking sch some time ago. Point still is sch damage isn't comparable to smn.

[mountaindew]

Good question.

I'd still have to test this out to see whether Thunder is worth the rotation.
The 2.5 sec cast time is a bit of an issue though, we could be using a lot of other skills within that 2.5 second...

[Kevee]

Good question.

I'd still have to test this out to see whether Thunder is worth the rotation.
The 2.5 sec cast time is a bit of an issue though, we could be using a lot of other skills within that 2.5 second...

Ruin is a 2.5s cast time.

If you're casting ruin, and Thunder isn't on the target, you should be casting Thunder instead. 80vs240 potency.

The only problem is in AoE situations or extended fights with adds. Thunder costs just as much MP as Shadow Flare. If you're having mana problems, it's best to cut out Thunder first. Edit: In AoE situations it's still better to Thunder each target(after baneing the normal DoTs) than to use Miasma II, unless there are at least 4 targets. Doing that ruins your mana, though, so it's situational.