Research a dungeon before you queue up

[Scratchs]

The real fun is in finding out how to defeat the boss yourself. Hard to do that in a group environment with impatient strangers admittedly.

I'm gonna try to get some players in my FC to run some dungeons with different setups like 3 DPS and one arch dps/healer and see how it goes .

Mystery = Fun,
Knowing it all = Boring.

[Raeletta]

Never.

Always blind. I'll research a text guide if I can't work something out, and if I fail too much after that I'll consider a video if I'm convinced I'm at fault, but no way in hell will I EVER research a fight before I do it the first time. Boring as hell that is.

I don't mind getting some warnings in chat before we do a fight however.

[Seraphe]

No.
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[OrigamiElephant]

Doing homework before going into a dungeon for the first time, is not all that different than loading up a brand new game and playing the whole thing with a strategy guide open.

Yeah neither one of those things are fun, so stop making suggestions OP.

[AyaneKiwara]

Me and 3 others went in completely blind for stone vigil and we beat it, by wiping alot and thinking what we were doing wrong.
Even garuda (story mode of course).
It was actually quite fun.

My first time doing SM garuda put me in a group with 3 others who had never fought her before. I had a lot of fun and no one seemed to get disheartened, so im sure the same could possible be said for them

[Millerna]

My first Praetorium run was with 7 out of 8 people who hadn't done it before, and the other guy only got halfway through on his first run. We wiped several times and only did some ad-hoc research on 1 boss after wiping 3 times. In the end we actually finished the dungeon with about 2 minutes to spare. That was the most fun I've had in a dungeon so far

Also, reading up on fights and watching video's doesn't mean you'll actually 'know' the fights. You really need first hand experience, mainly because fights are often not like they are on the video's.

[FutanXIV]

When server transfers hit but that's not part of my issue

It clearly is the issue. You're using the feature that was designed for new players expecting experienced ones. Go with people who are like-minded and that will solve your issue. Whining on a forum about it, telling people they need to play like you, does not.

Yes, actually. Titan HM. Seriously. Have you seen the rotation?

That said, do you even know what the Satin Plume does in Garuda HM, or are all groups just "kill plume, kill green add, avoid tornados GOGOGOGOGOGO"?

This is one of the reasons fights fail. Because you fail to let people learn what happens when actions A-D aren't taken. Learning to do and when to do, actions A-D require time and effort. And most MMO players these days, and many in this game, are too damn impatient. Like, you got told what the answers were to big problems like long division and never had to figure it out for yourself, or the fact that many math problems can be reversed to show how sound they are. If you never LEARN you can never TEACH, and that's why people who act like you shouldn't be in the lead of any group.

I was actually confused by your ramblings at first. I thought you were saying to explain in more detail but then you went on about being told the answers. So it seemed contradictory but I just misinterpreted the first part.

Anyways, I actually started questioning this myself maybe a week ago when I was trying to find a new player group for Normal Garuda. Would I want to be told what to do before going in or just dive in? The latter. I felt like it was just a common courtesy to tell people what to do. However, not telling people basically yields the same results as people will just follow what you do. As I mentioned in the part about the normal Titan fight you deleted. The 3 others were all new, didn't watch a video or read a guide but because I wasn't just acting completely newb and would run to where I needed to be and attack the Heart and such, they just followed along. So although I didn't tell them through words what to do, I did through actions. They still have no idea what the Heart does most likely because we never wiped to that move. So if I do a dungeon or anything again, I'm not sure what I'll do. It still just seems polite to put people 'in the know' yet at the same time I could be spoiling their fun. But then it seems to be irrelevant if you tell them or not. I don't know.

However, it doesn't change my point that the OP if they wanted to do speed runs or w/e, they should simply just tell them what to do instead of demanding they go read a guide.