Research a dungeon before you queue up

[Kyouko]

as a gamer, i pride myself on learning stuff as i go. i hate resorting thru walkthroughs and much more videos... sure sometimes i ask for any particular notes on a boss but i like to take in the pattern the developers made for myself and not watch someone else's game.. sure it might be way smoother if i watched/studied it before hand but my gamer conscience is telling me thats cheating myself. its like taking the test and knowing the questions before you even start or watching a movie and knowing the ending.

dont you think that'd be quite boring? knowing something before it even happens.. no more sense of surprise.

I'm coming from knowing what's coming and performing well at it, some people know what's coming and don't perform well

[Hawklaser]

I'm coming from knowing what's coming and performing well at it, some people know what's coming and don't perform well

And no guide in the world will fix that.

[Sardoni]

I'm coming from knowing what's coming and performing well at it, some people know what's coming and don't perform well

The trend in this game is simple. If it's your first time on a difficult boss... you will wipe at least once... perhaps twice. Then you learn the pattern and rarely wipe again.

All the guides in the world don't prepare you for how it's going to work for you to overcome your own mistakes and shortcomings.

Had a tank who never knew the bees spawned on demon wall because he'd only ever run it with full relic+1 darklight guildees (he was one run short and I was full relic+1 darklight but the bard was GC weapon and 2 pieces darklight XD). We still beat it, but even though he'd been there multiple times yadda yadda.

I still couldn't tell you "the proper way" to beat the last guy in Wanderer's Palace. I use Titan to tank while the PLD scoops up the adds and tanks those elsewhere lol. Only ran it a handful of times but never done it any other way. Don't really care what a guide has to say, but I'm always open to improvement.

I generally follow the tanks lead and pepper advice for future runs (like you can skip these mobs etc etc). No reason to change the momentum of the run if you're used to things a certain way UNLESS you're wiping.

With AK/Ifirit HM/Garuda HM I have netflix open in the corner of my screen and only half pay attention. I imagine the rest of the content will be that way soon for a lot of people. I focus for what I need to focus on

[Zenkai]

well thats pretty much the problem of the world... even in real life there are people knowing how to do things but not perform well... my point is that it shouldnt be a mandatory thing to read up on everything and watch youtube fights before jumping in a dungeon which is a huge spoiler.. at some point everyone is a first timer in a dungeon. I expect newbies in Duty Finders much like myself on my first try but if i want to play with the top dogs who i can expect to know the pattern, I'd have to form the party manually by asking FC or other experienced players.

thats my opinion atleast... ive seen other players bullying newbies because its their first try. ive even experienced some of them

[joshdavis271]

Studying guides and actually going into the dungeons are 2 different things, sure you know whats coming, but you have no idea how to get the timing down without doing the dungeon blind at least once just to practice said timing. thats how I learned how to dodge each bosses attacks most the time is by getting the timing down.

[Sylve]

i can sum up a boss in every dungeon ive run so far, as a Tank in around 7 seconds, with a single line of text.

"Dont stand _____, Watch out for _____, Kill ___ when it spawns, _____ cant be avoided, _____ can be ignored, LB when _____"

Not all of them apply to every boss, But generally, at least half apply. if i see the new message, ill spit that out while running to/waiting for people to reach the boss room.

[IMStarbuck]

Since when game become exam? Memorize the pattern, do preperation before joining, reading "Guide"...where is the try out new stuff, first time experience, solving puzzle, etc ?

[Moirear]

Spoilers? No thanks. I only consult a guide if I am unable to progress.

I have the courtesy to tell party members I'm new and that they can tell me any strategy if they want, as that is usually spoilerfree.

You can ragequit from the duty if you don't like that, for all I care.

[HiroSeven]

I think a consideration to variety needs to be made for every piece of battle-related content available in the game. Meaning there is more than just one way to complete dungeons, primals, FATE's, etc. and what's required is acclimatization to the situation rather than a scripted route.

Let's take an example shall we? The second boss of AK for instance (which shall be un-named), the common strategy is to avoid the attacks, be in a safe position and to defeat the adds when they spawn. Yet an alternate strategy, based on the level/skill of your damage dealers, is to avoid the additional spawns and continue to damage the boss for a quick victory. A simplistic adjustment, but a different strategy nevertheless.

I don't doubt the usefulness of guides, but learning is what initiated the writing of the guides themselves. Let people think and flourish man, people will become better for it.

[Sylve]

I think a consideration to variety needs to be made for every piece of battle-related content available in the game. Meaning there is more than just one way to complete dungeons, primals, FATE's, etc. and what's required is acclimatization to the situation rather than a scripted route.
Let's take an example shall we? The second boss of AK for instance (which shall be un-named), the common strategy is to avoid the attacks, be in a safe position and to defeat the adds when they spawn. Yet an alternate strategy, based on the level/skill of your damage dealers, is to avoid the additional spawns and continue to damage the boss for a quick victory. A simplistic adjustment, but a different strategy nevertheless.

I don't doubt the usefulness of guides, but learning is what initiated the writing of the guides themselves. Let people think and flourish man, people will become better for it.

To continue with your post, second boss in Cutters Cry has several usable strategies. As does the final boss in AK, some o fthe WP bosses, hell even Ifrit and Garuda have variances in strategies to employ based on the preferences of your group. Some like to kill all the Razors to keep healer stress down, some will only kill Satin plumes.
Some will use a Mage LB on Ifrits Nails, some prefer the group to focus them down and use the single target LB on Ifrit.

Theres more, so i wont bother to list them, but essentially what you and I are saying is that there are multiple ways to kill a boss.