Research a dungeon before you queue up

[Zfz]

None of you guys sound like raiders to me, i guess that's where I'm coming from. Well some of you do but the majority of you aren't

Not every raider is like you. I don't have much to brag about, I was just the designated off-tank on add duty for Sartharion 3-Drakes pre-rush, designated off-tank on all the other Ulduar fights and designated main tank to control pre-nerf Mimiron positioning, etc...but I can't prove it to you. So you can rest assured that I'm just talking trash out of my mouth and I don't even know what a raid is. :3

I've been having fun doing Aurum Vale runs with first timers and I always suggest we just "go for it" on each boss. Then I drop a hint here and there after wipes, pointing out only the things they're doing wrong.

Obviously I give full strategies if they prefer that, but it seems people mostly prefer to experience it first-hand if you offer to do it with them.

And I get to experience the fights in whole new ways each time I do that. What's the fun in making everybody execute the same strategy over and over again? :3

At least for leveling dungeons, there's no point asking people to read up and learn the fights beforehand.

[Joeymtl]

Not looking up information the first time gives me:

- The visual surprise and no story spoilers.
- A social interraction when discussing strategies with my group.
- The laughs and years of memories after doing epic mistakes.
- Observing and using my brain to learn things and the gratification of completing the dungeon that way, as opposed to look at a youtube video and get told what to do like a zombie.

Even some serious and elitist raiders want to experience these points the first time they do a dungeon.

You ask for others to be considerate to save you time. I ask you to be considerate to help others enjoy the game as it should be enjoyed. I agree however that there should be a system to enable people to raid without players that haven't completed the dungeon yet. I think everyone would be happy that way.

[Velox]

Luckily from reading all these posts...it would seem the OP is in the extreme minority. Some faith in the FF community has been restored today. Thank you all ^^

[Kewitt]

I like find my own way.
Other wise I could just watch the game on youtube, and how much fun is that after a few hours.
I will watch a Youtube video after failing a few times to find out what is being missed.


It took my static 5 weeks of 2 tries to do Aht 44 in FFXI but when we finally got it. It felt great.

[Tsukino]

I'm glad I ran through most of the story in the first two weeks, so I ended up with full groups who had never seen the fights and just threw ourselves at every boss to learn. It was much more fun than having to watch someone else on YouTube first.

[Aldwin]

I'm glad I ran through most of the story in the first two weeks, so I ended up with full groups who had never seen the fights and just threw ourselves at every boss to learn. It was much more fun than having to watch someone else on YouTube first.

I second this. I don't mind new players at all. At one time, everyone was new, even you OP. I get that you have a busy life and can't waste time being patient for someone else, in which case maybe this game isn't for you, maybe social interaction isn't for you, maybe anything to do with other people in general at any time isn't for you.

Why are people so impatient these days?

[FutanXIV]

They need to get done asap so they can complain there's nothing to do.

[Sardoni]

How were the guides written in the first place?

[Crica]

How were the guides written in the first place?

by awesome players who did it without guides, of course

players that want everyone to read those guides are NOT awesome players, so everyone can ignore them and go play the game without spoilers if they want to, its ok!

[Zenkai]

as a gamer, i pride myself on learning stuff as i go. i hate resorting thru walkthroughs and much more videos... sure sometimes i ask for any particular notes on a boss but i like to take in the pattern the developers made for myself and not watch someone else's game.. sure it might be way smoother if i watched/studied it before hand but my gamer conscience is telling me thats cheating myself. its like taking the test and knowing the questions before you even start or watching a movie and knowing the ending.

dont you think that'd be quite boring? knowing something before it even happens.. no more sense of surprise.