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    FutanXIV's Avatar
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    Leave Me
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    Goblin
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    Marauder Lv 1
    lol. Because taking 5 seconds to say "Stay in the purple", "Be ready to avoid AoEs" and "Kill the Crystals" is too much work. I've yet to see an actually complicated fight that requires more than a sentence or 2 to explain. Are there any?

    But yeah, I agree with Vergil and the others. Trial and error is fun. Story-mode Titan has been the only real fun I've had combat-wise. And when I did it it was with 3 others who went in blindly and we learned as we went. lol. I went back and did Titan again once acting like I didn't know anything about the fight and yadayada. Beat it the 2nd attempt. Was all sadface.
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    Hysterior's Avatar
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    Larek Darkholme
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    Gilgamesh
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    Sage Lv 100
    Never did, never will

    I would watch videos or guide if I keep on wiping but for the first time I want to go fresh and discover
    (12)

    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

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    Orophin Calmcacil
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    I wonder how the first people completing these dungeons managed to do so without having some outside source of information to consult...
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    Meiko Otsuka
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    None of you guys sound like raiders to me, i guess that's where I'm coming from. Well some of you do but the majority of you aren't
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    KimimiAvesta's Avatar
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    Kimimi Avesta
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyouko View Post
    None of you guys sound like raiders to me, i guess that's where I'm coming from. Well some of you do but the majority of you aren't
    If being a raider involves making unnecessary snide remarks about anyone wanting to experience an MMO dungeon "fresh" as being automatically carried then I'll take that as a compliment.
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    ~Note to self: Stop logging out in silly hats~

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    SaintAjora's Avatar
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    Riele Jgnewesfv
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    Not everyone can learn just by reading. They have to actually be in the situation to see what to do. Sometimes I try to read up a bit to find out what a boss is going to do, but I wouldn't even bother mentioning it for all the good it does half the time.
    It has nothing to do with being carried. People just learn differently. Some people can read a book about how to put something together and get it done. Some people need the pieces in front of them and in their hands as they read the instructions to do it.
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    God please help us
    sinful children of Ivalice.

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    Player Crica's Avatar
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    Carpe Noctum
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    No. And...wait for it...you can't make me.

    Plus, I enjoy PLAYING the game, not spoilers of the game.
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    Kyterra Lianleaf
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyouko View Post
    Going in blind hoping to get carried gets no one anywhere and you're wasting everyone elses time that queued for so long
    Good luck ever being the first to beat a tough fight if always rely on guides to tell you what to do. I can tell you that those that cleared the stuff first had no guides to do it with, so where did they get the info? From trial and error.

    I think it would be awesome if all the top players would stop posting guides and stuff for everyone else to piggyback off of. This need for the silver platter to be passed around needs to go away. As there is no reason for many to actually try and learn from anything when the stuff keeps being given out on a silver platter.
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    Nix's Avatar
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    Fluffy Pancake
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    Hyperion
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    I just finished up running Praetorium with a group of 8; most were AF only and quite a few were first timers.

    I've honestly never had so much fun in a DF group before; I was healing for a tank friend that wanted to complete the story and I thought I could help if I went along with him since he'd had a bad DF experience earlier in the day.

    It took me all of 30 sec before each fight to give the new guys a head's up as to what to expect and what the best strategy was; I knew we weren't going to get a speed run, but to be honest I didn't care. I don't mind spending an extra 20~30 min in a run if it means that the people I'm with are having a good time, and if needs-be, learning something new.
    We had a couple of wipes (One on each form of Ultima), but we always got it on the 2nd try, it was great and the new guys learned a great deal. After the first try they were stellar.
    All it took was 30 seconds of my time; a lot less time than it would have taken to scream obscenities at them and call them names.

    If people took a minute to pull the stick out of their ass, they'll find the community as a whole will grow instead of all of this "OMG NO RELIC OR DL IN A STORY PROGRESSION DUNGEON?! U N00B" crap.

    I'd totally suggest catching a video if you're going to look into HM primals, but for the most part you learn with experience. Don't be afraid to ask for help, and don't be too uptight to offer it. For the most part, the community that I've had the fortune of bumping into has been awesome, very patient and welcoming. I hope this welcoming behavior catches on.

    There's nothing wrong with trial and error; no one's going to complete everything their first time. But instead of directing people to video guides, why not take 30 seconds yourself and explain to people what they need to do?
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    Last edited by Nix; 10-07-2013 at 02:51 PM.

    Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of another, always at the same time as an end and never simply as a means

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    Dsync's Avatar
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    Entity Entatas
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    Phoenix
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    Conjurer Lv 62
    How did people running through content for the first time, on release, cope? If you're using DF or you're doing PUGS then you have to expect that beautiful thing... The unexpected.

    Nothing drains more fun out of a game than having everything pre-decided, with no room to experiment. I've had more laughs with parties that don't take themselves too seriously. That's the way I'll keep it. I take no issue with people blisting me because I failed a run because I hadn't read/watched the fight prior to going in.

    ts;dr: No.
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