WARNING: DO NOT add a kick / boot feature.

[Farmer]

To Zumi: The majority vote to kick, I'm afraid would be used wrongly also. runs like AK and other smaller groups usually have two or three FC members who are friends who join. They would be able to use it collectivly against another player.

Yoshi of all people should understand this since he seen how mean people can be over little mistakes. Thank the 12 all those people did not have a vote kick / boot feature.

[Invz]

To Invz: What of AK runs where three people of the same FC join a que, and are mean to you the whole way and just before the boss, they boot you for no good reason other then they had someone to pick on?

I think thats kind of a stretch bro. If I were put in that situation by my FC I would probably still vote no unless the player in question lacks talent at his or her job. I don't join AK runs to troll people. I join AK runs to get myth tomes. If I am with a DPS or healer that is wearing pieces of AF and can still get through demon wall and doesn't die to trash mobs I am good.

[Farmer]

To neverendingxsin: I have ran titan probably 50+ times pug. I have never seen a single person undergeard as poorly as you suggest, the least geared I have seen someone is AK gear. Those people got past guaruda and so as you move up the content, less people you will find like that. if someone comes into your titan undergeared its less then 1% of the time. The problem with titan is people need to practice thier dodging, and duty finder titan is a great place for them to practice, they shouldnt be booted for not being perfect.

Also you cannot add new members to titan HM either and if you could, I have no doubt people would kick and boot people who make mistakes instead of helping them.

[Tenkiei]

When I want to run with geared people, I do just that, but queuing for duty finder shouldn't mean accepting people who are clearly NOT up to gear par for the content, will I refuse to run with someone who has HQ Prerelic and AF for AK? No. AK more or less requires an il55 weap, however when the healer is unable to heal demon wall because his gear is so abysmal (L20 jewlery, a L40 weap, etc) then yes I should have the right to remove him and NOT have to face a penalty myself for someone else being too lazy to pull their weight.

[Farmer]

Even if that does happen, I believe the cases of people being kicked for good reasons rather than people being kicked for 3 friends being jerks or what have you, would far out weigh the people doing it just for the trolols. I mean if there are three friends kicking someone out just for laughs right before end boss, guess this feature is good to have just so the three people can feel real "good" about themselves.

The fact is, this should NEVER happen and would probably happen more then afk'rs in party, why trade one horror (afkers) for another (being bullied). People should decide at the start if they want to run with each other and be completly commited to that until the end, unless there is an afk'r in party.

[Rsthaliot]

This is what will really happen. Someone playing through the story joins a CM queue and like a normal person wants to see the story they paid for. Everyone will get mad the user is trying to watch the cut-scenes because it slows down their progression by one tiny iota for a single run and he/she will be vote kicked out. That said AK is actually a mandatory dungeon to get a rank up in the Immortal Flames GC so the use can in turn get a pre-primal, but post story weapon that isn't to bad. This is the route most people go while saving for their pre-relic as most users don't use the market and normally can't drop the gil.

Want a real solution, change the philo farming dungeon to a non story one. Then change the GC one to a weaker one for the players who realistically need it for that purpose.

[Quesse]

Don't worry, they're not adding it. They're adding some MVP token thing instead. Should fix everything.

[Valarice]

Today I has a blm who queued up into praetorium and sat at the entrance the whole time. He was not afk, he just refused to participate. He was there from first boss to the end. We had no way to remove him and we had to 7 man the dungeon as a result. We need SOME kind of power to deal with these jerks.

[Farmer]

I think thats kind of a stretch bro. If I were put in that situation by my FC I would probably still vote no unless the player in question lacks talent at his or her job. I don't join AK runs to troll people. I join AK runs to get myth tomes. If I am with a DPS or healer that is wearing pieces of AF and can still get through demon wall and doesn't die to trash mobs I am good.

I think this goes back to my point, that you are booting someone for other reasons then just being afk, or badmouthing, which is the ONLY time someone should EVER be booted from a party. Otherwise dissolve the party if its a failure, dont use a system to boot people who need to learn, and you have agreed to be with until a certain point in a dungeon.

[Warlyx]

Don't worry, they're not adding it. They're adding some MVP token thing instead. Should fix everything.

because trolls and afkers care about if they are voted MVP or not ~~