Quote Originally Posted by Farmer View Post
I guess the question is, should SE be setting the standard of a dungeon they created, or should players of a party using a PUBLIC duty finder service be able to do set that standard by giving anyone below an unknown standard set by party members?

My opinion is that SE should set the standard for dungeons and not players. if players want to set a standard they can do it in a private setting and not in a PUBLIC setting that creates a bad exeperience for players who do not meet that unknown standard.
2.1 will be adding a gear check to DF so you can't enter dungeons undergeared, so there's your "SE setting the standards" right there.


Again, the ONLY time someone should be booted or kicked from a Public party is due to being AFK or bad mouthing other players, anything beyond that and it doesnt become a democracy, but a tool to crush the minority players who are doing nothing wrong.
This is simply untrue. There are MANY times where the reason people are failing is either due to someone unwilling or unable to grasp the mechanics of the fight, or are simply too far undergeared to complete it. A perfect example was last night running AK. Three of us had sufficient gear for the dungeon, one was a fresh 50 with AF and a 44 weapon. We taught him as best we could as we went and were quite patient with him on the Demon Wall. We attempted it at least 6-7 times before it was determined that he was just dying too much. So we politely asked him to leave. Luckily, he did (though this was all in Japanese... I doubt your average NA player would have been so understanding). We opened up the finder to find a replacement. The replacement was properly geared but was running it for the first time. We talked him through it and managed to finish the dungeon.