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  1. #31
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    Inuakurei's Avatar
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    Inu Akurei
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    Sargatanas
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    Archer Lv 50
    I support a vote to kick feature even if it means that under geared or un-skilled players will be caught in the cross fire, and here's why.

    I'll use AK for my example since it's the biggest cause of headache (next to jack asses in CM). 80% of the time my duty finder runs go fine, but then there are there's that 10% where someone is mean, rude, or even just bad. Today I had a run with a Scholar, who was new to the dungeon and was pretty under geared (just AF and lv45ish accessories, had ifrit book though). The rest of the group (blm(me), pld, brd) were all fine and helpful, we told him the strats for each fight and he did reasonably well. Passed first boss with minimal issues, he only got hit once on demon wall and didn't fall off, and healed just fine. But then...

    On the last boss he just couldn't get behind the statues for the AOE. Every single time he would get one shot by the 2nd or 3rd Intimidate catastrophe which quickly lead to a wipe. The first few times it was ok, he was new and we all were patient with him, but around the 9th or 10th time it just got to be ridiculous.

    We tried everything. We told him when to move, we told him to just follow me, we told him to stand behind the tank's pillar at the start and just stay there, but nothing worked. The guy just either wouldn't listen, reached too slowly, or didn't bother to move at all. And each time he had a different excuse.

    I'm sorry to say but we also need to be able to kick people like this. I know it sounds cruel but we were all patient and helpful with the guy and he still couldn't get it right. There's only so much we could do, we couldn't complete the dungeon with him dying every time and he simply couldn't do it for whatever reason. We asked if he would be ok with leaving since he couldn't get it right but he refused, so at that point I would appreciate a vote to kick option.
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  2. #32
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    Tenkiei's Avatar
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    Tenkiei Miharu
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    Leviathan
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuufarlc View Post
    You are a douche, theres many people legitimately in at least ONE lvl 50 dungeon who are under geared, because it is a Story Dungeon and that very dungeon is used to gear up in
    Have you seen me say anything about CM/Praehere? There's a reason for that THOSE are the gearing dungeons and none really have gear requirements. I've specifically targeted AK because yes with Artemis Bow +1 I CAN carry a dps with a L40 weapon, but why should I have to carry someone who is effectively useless just because I'm geared? Should I never use the DF for fear of people who want to be carried? To anyone who says "people should be able to queue no matter how undergeared"

    1) Make a party of 4 friends.
    2) Go get a L40 weapon, leveling jewlery and AF.
    3) Put them on, try to clear AK, see how much fun you have.

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    On another note: I would fully support gear requirements, preferrably avg ilevel for instances such as AK, Garuda, and Titan all of which cannot be completed with "whatever" gear.
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  3. #33
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    Farmer's Avatar
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    Mac Roni
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    To inuakurei, yes its unfortunate that you made it to the end and could not finish it, but you also agreed to party with him until the final boss. One person may be the wipe of your party but that is considered a loss. I find it hard to think you lose that instance every time to someone like that. A loss is a loss, its not a win, it sucks but we all have them from time to time. Would one loss justify adding a kick / boot system that would no doubt be abused by a majority of the people, just to always ensure a win and never a loss?
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    Last edited by Farmer; 10-07-2013 at 09:44 AM.

  4. #34
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    Kort's Avatar
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    Kort Mcshort
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    Mateus
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    Botanist Lv 49
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenkiei View Post
    queuing for duty finder shouldn't mean accepting people who are clearly NOT up to gear par for the content[/B]
    That sounds more like SE needs to make some gear prereqs to get into dungeons, not a Duty Finder kick issue. People abuse everything and they will abuse that too.
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  5. #35
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    Rsthaliot's Avatar
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    R'sthal Tia
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    The catch 22 of AK is it drops the gear between AF and Darklight, plus is needed for the GC weapons which are used before Ifrit. If you want something changed that should definitely be it. That said I support both gear level too low and gear level too high filters on dungeons.
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  6. #36
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    Kaedan94's Avatar
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    Kinako Kuromitsu
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    Tonberry
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    Fisher Lv 70
    A vote-kick will require all 3 other members in a 4 man, and probably at least 5 in an 8 man party. There's nothing wrong with that. The damage done by trolls and afkers is far worse than not having vote-kick.

    Simple solution if you don't want to be afraid of being kicked: Don't go into something undergeared unless you're doing so with friends. Though this won't be a problem when they add gear requirements in 2.1 (thank goodness).
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  7. #37
    Player Crica's Avatar
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    Carpe Noctum
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan94 View Post
    A vote-kick will require all 3 other members in a 4 man, and probably at least 5 in an 8 man party. There's nothing wrong with that. The damage done by trolls and afkers is far worse than not having vote-kick.

    Simple solution if you don't want to be afraid of being kicked: Don't go into something undergeared unless you're doing so with friends. Though this won't be a problem when they add gear requirements in 2.1 (thank goodness).
    the exact same soultion you are suggesting to players whom do not wish to be votekicked can be used by players to avoid having to vote kick in the first place
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  8. #38
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    Kort's Avatar
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    Kort Mcshort
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    Mateus
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    Botanist Lv 49
    Quote Originally Posted by Rsthaliot View Post
    The catch 22 of AK is it drops the gear between AF and Darklight, plus is needed for the GC weapons which are used before Ifrit. If you want something changed that should definitely be it. That said I support both gear level too low and gear level too high filters on dungeons.
    People used to run AK "under geared" all the time. Then they found out how to speed run things and now these people are too good to run it the way it was supposed to be run. It wouldn't drop the next level gear if SE didn't intend on it being ran when that gear was needed.

    This wasn't a rant at YOU. Just a rant in your post. sorry
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  9. #39
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    Kort Mcshort
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by HealBus View Post
    Lol 1%, the stuck at first cutscene in CM until final boss seems to be occurring in nearly all of my CMs. But I am not going to use my anecdotal statistics and apply it to everyone.
    I have ran it dozens of times and never had it happen to me once. You must be the most unlucky person in the world.
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  10. #40
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    Inuakurei's Avatar
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    Inu Akurei
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    Sargatanas
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Farmer View Post
    To inuakurei, yes its unfortunate that you made it to the end and could not finish it, but you also agreed to party with him until the final boss. One person may be the wipe of your party but that is considered a loss. I find it hard to think you lose that instance every time to someone like that. A loss is a loss, its not a win, it sucks but we all have them from time to time. Would one loss justify adding a kick / boot system that would no doubt be abused by a majority of the people, just to always ensure a win and never a loss?
    I've actually run into this problem multiple times. Its much rarer than someone being a jack ass over someone's gear / performance but it does happen. I've even hit roadblocks on the first boss because of tank / healer issues. Just yesterday I had another healer (whm) who couldn't even heal past the first boss. They had lv20 accessories, all AF, and lv40 weapon. They simply couldn't keep up with the damage and also didn't use Esuna, which lead to all of us wiping multiple times. We were all friendly (the pld was kind of a jerk though) and told him what to do and that he had to use Esuna but he just wouldn't listen.
    We should be able to kick people like this.

    On the flip side, a week or so ago I had a group with me (blm), a brd, a pld, and a whm. We were going along fine when suddenly, without saying a word, the whm decided that our pld was bad and stopped healing him, letting him die. This was even before the first boss, in the open area in front of the entrance to the boss, meaning that in the time frame of only 4 or 5 pulls, the whm alone decided our pld deserved to die. The pld wasn't even doing a bad job, he did fine except for not marking enemies, but hardly anything to get upset about. So after that it just turned into a 20 minute e-peen rage fest and mpk attempts that ended up with the pld leaving.
    This is also why we need a vote to kick option.

    Anyways my point is, the need for a vote to kick system vastly outweighs the negative side affects it could have.
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