Stop Buying Titan Kills

[Seig345]

All of this suggests that future content won't be anymore difficult than launch day content and so people who couldn't do HM primals due to any number of factors, will somehow be able to do more challenging battles with none of the same issues all because of a single great item they possess.

If you aren't new to MMOs, you know that is not and never will be, the case.

That's great and all, but people aren't just buying Titan HM because it's too hard for them, people are also buying it because the DF pug ragequitters make it nearly impossible for all of a group's party members to learn the fight. Instead, they ragequit after the 2nd or 3rd wipe and just pull the DF slot machine handle again and treat the people they're grouped with like NPCs.

If any of the groups I'd gotten into for Titan HM had actually stuck it out for the whole time limit, I'm fairly sure I could have actually experienced Phase 5 without having paid to see it. People buying Titan HM runs may be the 'cause' of people who relics who don't know what they're doing, but it isn't everyone who's paying for the run (even the OP pulled a percentage out of nowhere, suggesting then that there's also a percentage that paid but knew what they were doing, even well enough to survive the rest of the fight on their first time in phase 5), and people paying for Titan HM runs in and of itself is also just a symptom caused by something else.

[Argent_Wings]

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Yeah, I get you. It's terrible to have to rely on a community of ragequitters, but that isn't going to magically go away just because you've obtained your Relic and while YOU and a handful of others might be bright and quick learners who are simply handicapped by a lack of opportunity to show what they can do, there's still the other side of the coin to consider. That's the side that people choose to ignore when they claim these methods don't affect other people. They certainly affect YOU when inexperienced players get wrapped up with impatient ones.

I guess from my perspective, it promotes an endless cycle of people who just want to pay their way out of having to deal with "undesirables". In the end, the short term gain teaches people nothing, specifically, the ones who NEED to be learning SOMETHING from their failures and that's going to rear it's ugly head again in the future.

[Seig345]

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I agree that it's not fine as-is, just that the issue isn't going to simply stop if people stop buying Titan runs. I just have a thing against blanket statements, because EVERY person who pays for a run isn't necessarily hurting themselves, but rather that paying for Titan runs is indicative of an issue and is hurting many who do it along with others. I don't consider myself 'bright' or anything, and while I like to consider myself patient, I guess I'm horribly impatient with impatient people.

What I'm hoping for is that a combination of the hard-coded gear checks, and the improved method of searching for/advertising yourself as looking for parties for specific content from within your own server population that were promised for 2.1 or 'soon', might alleviate the situation a bit. More people catching up the further time progresses won't exactly hurt things either.

[TohruHonda]

This is the only MMO I have played where people are getting so mad over escorted boss kills. Please calm down.

[Fiorana]

A statement about titan ragequitters

Have you considered that some of those DF members that cause trouble are doing it intentionally to create a need for these "mercernary titan killers" if you want to call them that? As it is now you can't trust the DF for a group of people that actually want to kill it. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people out there that try to funnel you into thier trap through frustration, I'll never give those kind of people my money though and I hope more people don't.

[zakalw3]

Bad connections can be compensated for given enough time and practice. Something you aren't prepared to grant.

Again, you're ignoring what I wrote...

I told you we tried for /hours/ with people who just didn't learn, and that I did this time and time again over the course of a week.

I'm not sure how you got "something you aren't prepared to grant" from that. I paid my dues in terms of trying to teach/carry.

[Macho]

Have you considered that some of those DF members that cause trouble are doing it intentionally to create a need for these "mercernary titan killers" if you want to call them that? As it is now you can't trust the DF for a group of people that actually want to kill it. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people out there that try to funnel you into thier trap through frustration, I'll never give those kind of people my money though and I hope more people don't.

This. You can clearly tell when someone is doing it on purpose. Last night I did a DF just before going to bed and wow was everyone motivated got to p5 first try and every try after that for about 3 or 4 turns before someone got tired and had to go to bed. Then you get the run where someone is genuinely new and you can tell...but then you get the guy claiming he's new doing things that make no sense. Like running down the tunnel of a landslide instead of perpendicular to it trying to escape it.

[Seig345]

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I have considered that, and I'm sure there are people out there doing that. Heck, I may have been 'trapped' by it, but in the end, I didn't give them my money, I gave them in-game currency, which is different, unless you buy gil. Despite knowing that people are out there intentionally sabotaging DF runs, though, I didn't care. In the end, I got what I paid my Gil for, and I don't consider making gil in a game as 'work', or at the very least, I consider it fun work. I wouldn't pay a monthly fee of IRL money to do something I don't like, so if I didn't find it enjoyable to save up gil, I wouldn't do it.

[Astarica]

The problem with Titan is assuming you can get to phase 5 and actually do more than just instantly dying after he does the first table toss, you have at least a 1% chance of beating him. That doesn't sound like much but if you look at how long people have been stuck at Titan, that 1% actually adds up over time and your odds will probably improve a bit too if you stick around due to increased familiarity with your teammates, even if it's a DF PUG. But instead people just ragequit only to get into another group that can't even get past the heart. No, you're not likely to beat Titan in any particular group that can barely make it to phase 5 but you still should take your chances because it's very likely your next group can't even get to phase 5.

[Doo]

I DF titan hm just for fun often and it's funny these under geared guys never want to be the first to leave so they can reqeue again into the next one. Once ilevel is introduce more geared players will result in a better df experience. Most of the time df groups can't even burn down the heart because they are so under geared. If they were able to make it to phase 5 often, they will gain a lot more experience and eventually beat it.