Something needs to be done about tanks ruining the dungeon queue

[Auron_Wolf]

For the third time in 4 hours (on a 30-45min queue, mind you) I've been having tanks that ruin the dungeon experience completely by simply running for the nearest 2-3 chests and then simply leaving, forcing the others to requeue. As a DPS this is game breaking due to the fact that queues are very long to begin with.

Any word from SE of this? Or is the the good ol' "wall of silence" / "working as intended" as usual?

Hem… these is not a game problem, it’s a lack of tanks (to many DPs in this game: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/000506.html ) also leaving a dungeon grant you a 15 minutes penalty so you can simple join immediately to another quest, precisely to avoid this kind of behavior

[Nadrojj]

Relying on duty finder to complete dungeons is your mistake. Make a linkshell or a free company, gather a few friends and do the content you want. It's not difficult at all.

[Makeda]

For the third time in 4 hours (on a 30-45min queue, mind you) I've been having tanks that ruin the dungeon experience completely by simply running for the nearest 2-3 chests and then simply leaving

Only one MMO has ever put in something similar to the solution I've been suggesting since about 2006 for this issue - which is an issue seen in almost every MMO, even GW2 which doesn't have tanks...

Put all rewards at the end, upon "mission completion" - even though you have to earn them throughout.

So you loot all those chests, get all that XP, get all that Gil... and it doesn't get handed to your character until you have that 'exit' thing at the end of the dungeon...

City of Heroes had something similar... Mission Completion. There was no completion until there was a completion... and all you could get there was very small XP and trivial recipe items - mostly items good to give to updating your guild base, and not yourself... until 'Completion' popped up on your screen.

Completion there though also meant 100% full clear. Not sure if modern MMOs would go for that.

BUT... its pretty easy to say "nothing from a chest, and none of the XP counts, for ANYONE, until the dungeon finish pops."

- With an added caveat: if a vote-kick system is added, all loot earned before the kick happens is lost. Either A: everyone loses everything they earned (what I favor, because it makes you only kick when you MUST kick), or B: the loot the kicked person won goes to no-one - not even them (which ends up being griefer-friendly).

(City of Heroes didn't need a solution for this, it had no kick function, its community never got bad to begin with because you could see everyone's global name, and they allowed people to name and shame on their forums for the first several years... before they sold the game to another company... so reputations were taken seriously: even if you server transferred, people only had to look up your global name and see what rep you'd left behind on your old server.)


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ALT SOLUTION:

1. Leaving a dungeon incurs a 2-hour wait penalty, minus 15 minutes per boss that was cleared in the dungeon you left. But only if the dungeon had been started (at least one combat was entered into).

2. A group missing a member goes above new groups in the wait queue, waiting in a queue of partial groups. And people get the option to switch their gearsets and re-pick roles (as that could speed things up).

3. Probably too complex to code: anytime multiple partial groups waiting in queue have killed the same bosses, they will be given the option to merge, and with it, the option for each member to re-pick their role / change gearset - if so doing can build a new full group.

(so lets say I came to dungeon X as heals, and we lost our tank, I would get the option to switch to tank, and we'd get the option to merge with another group that had lost a DPS and its tank).

[Hagito]

What about leechers? A couple hours ago I had this little person standing in CM entrance, the whole run, he was a tank (fyi) when we finished the last boss he just left the instance, he was there the whole time. This person deserves a ban, won't call names but I am indeed reporting him uploading a video as proof at the moment to send it to SE.

Leechers, afkers and rage quitters, i hate all those people.

[traja]

The way WoW handles this very behavior is by putting the remaining group at the top of the queue for a new tank. Usually it won't take more than a few minutes to get one. This is not an unsolvable issue.

What I don't understand is why we have a ratio of 2 dps per tank in the dungeon group makeup. Surely SE knew there was going to be a tank shortage, there always is. To me it seems obvious to go with a traditional 3 to 1 ratio or even a 4 to 1 ratio.

[FalafelFries]

Hem… these is not a game problem, it’s a lack of tanks (to many DPs in this game: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/000506.html ) also leaving a dungeon grant you a 15 minutes penalty so you can simple join immediately to another quest, precisely to avoid this kind of behavior

That's not entirely true. By and large people love their big numbers and prefer to play DPS classes rather than the healer and support roles. But there's also a problem with the game here in that there's no reason right now to run a dungeon besides the loot. The gil is so laughably bad (at least through what I've done so far) that it's kind of an insult to even give those stacks of tin ,etc, and the experience is decent but way worse than fate grinding. If they gave you a good chunk of xp and gil (comparable to FATES but maybe a little less) based on completion of a dungeon people would have an incentive to play them.

[Sentinel]

For the third time in 4 hours (on a 30-45min queue, mind you) I've been having tanks that ruin the dungeon experience completely by simply running for the nearest 2-3 chests and then simply leaving, forcing the others to requeue. As a DPS this is game breaking due to the fact that queues are very long to begin with.

Any word from SE of this? Or is the the good ol' "wall of silence" / "working as intended" as usual?

I've never seen this since...well, i'm a tank, I feel for you guys though, that sounds especially toxic behavior, IDK if there is a lack of tanks, anyone who does this, needs to be perm banned.

[Tanabe]

shame to be in a party that gets moved up in queue as their old tank left just to get a new dickhead that do the same Again :P

duty finders fault to begin with, if it was not there ppl that do this thing would never get a party to start with unless he is with 3 of his friends.

so lets removed the pest of all MMOs the dungoen finder PLEASE.

[Raymeo]

There's no fix for it unfortunately

Sure there is. Don't put any chests before the first boss of a dungeon. There, fixed. Why nobody thought of this during development, I have no idea.

[Chiramu]

MVP feature soon OP . I'm pretty sure you can only vote up and cannot downvote, so less chances people have to abuse and harass others with it.