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    Lhun's Avatar
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    Samuel Bellamy
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    [war]Parsing +10 dex allotment, basic "just 50" gear, currently maximizing for parry.

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    Last edited by Lhun; 10-04-2013 at 12:31 PM.
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    I did went through the high post between you and the other forum members. I have to say that I agree with you more. Keep up the good work =D I know for a fact that I don't have the will to stand there and auto attacking mobs and try to gather data. Prop for ya.
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    Can you do the test on raid bosses? (or would it matter?, assuming raidbosses are like lvl 53)
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    So ... what exactly are you trying to prove?

    also I had a question from the mitigation thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lhun View Post
    UP TO, 25% damage reduced with 405 STR from parry.
    Parry procs roughly 17-25% of the time depending on how much Parry+ gear and dex you have. 211 dex seems to be the good number.

    THAT WORKS OUT TO... AN AVERAGE OF 15% OF ALL DAMAGE - OVER A LONG TIME - REDUCED. *sigh*
    If you parry, say 25% of the time, and when you parry, you mitigate 25% of that damage, how do you figure it works out to an average of 15% of all damage?
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    Shaenrael Calgarawyn
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    Why would you arbitrarily pick 30,000 damage to stop your testing, and why are you testing against level, what, 47 mobs? At least go find some lvl 49 mobs.

    Look at your numbers... they straight up missed 15% of the time...

    Finally, what are you even trying to prove? You parried 19% of the time (not 20) on this relatively small sample against mobs 3 levels lower than you.

    The only way this could even show anything is if you showed that for some reason a PLD with equivalent stats had a much lower parry rate (while not using a shield, preferably).

    Otherwise, yeah, Warriors can parry attacks. That ship has sailed and it's something I'm pretty sure we all agree on. Your claim that WAR parry works out to 15% reduction though is clearly still ridiculous. Even at 25% parry rate (which you aren't at), you're not parrying away more than 25% of the damage, so parry at that insanely high rate is going to work out to ~6% damage reduction.

    P.S. Paladins have the same parry rates.

    P.P.S. referring to
    Quote Originally Posted by Lhun View Post
    The current data shows that it works out to 15% overall mitigation OF ALL INCOMING DAMAGE, AVERAGE. The average parry rate from ALL ATTACKS OVERALL is 25% or better.
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    Last edited by Hachiko; 10-04-2013 at 08:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giantbane View Post
    So ... what exactly are you trying to prove?
    A thesis would indeed prove useful. All I'm seeing is a bunch of numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giantbane View Post
    If you parry, say 25% of the time, and when you parry, you mitigate 25% of that damage, how do you figure it works out to an average of 15% of all damage?
    6.25% total damage mitigation from 25% parry / 25% reduction on parry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjiitstu View Post
    6.25% total damage mitigation from 25% parry / 25% reduction on parry.
    /facepalm

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    This guy has been lurking lately, and ALL it takes it to read a few of his posts. He clearly does not understand why the warrior tool kit is filled with inferior tools.

    He constantly applies 100% efficiency to warrior heals, regardless of the fact that in all situations you have a healer topping you off....

    His effort in this is to prove pld / war equality, something he and a very few misguided people believe actually exists.
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    Samuel Bellamy
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    Here's some really lazy data from a level 49 fate. I missed combos tons, was clicking the mouse instead of using hotkeys, and having a conversation on the phone while my 3yo daughter was poking me. This is to simulate way below average results. Anyone who focuses can do way, way better. In about 6 minutes, I fought "Gozol Itzcan The Hatchet." The parser doesn't currently parse absorb very well.

    "You Absorb" 6830 damage. (includes bath, path, beast) (I manually added "you absorb" lines)
    I used thrill of battle 3 times. 3279hp
    I used second wind 4 times. 2745

    I evaded 13.475% of all his attacks. I obviously parried ~18.5% of all his attacks for 22%. damage.

    He dealt 28232 damage total over 6 minutes.

    Why am I not fully parsing a dungeon raid and why am I picking level 48 mobs? Because I'm just giving you basic data, I'm busy doing other things, and I'm not your servant. Go do it yourself if you want to know so bad. I already have.
    At least I'm doing this. What have you all been doing besides saying I'm wrong?

    If all you're going to do is insult me I'll publish my results to my FC and nothing else.

    PS: my theory is that we have a constant 15% damage mitigation from passive abilities. Whatever people. Pick apart everything I say. Have a nice night.
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    Last edited by Lhun; 10-04-2013 at 09:13 AM.
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