[BARD] Should Heavier Shot should be changed?

[RonPierce]

I feel Heavier Shot [Heavy shot has a 20% chance of making your next Straight Shot automatically Crit.] should be changed. Not because it's useless but because its both a dull and potentially harmful trait. Here's my reasoning:

Say Heavier shot procs:
You can do another Heavy shot, or Straight shot. If you:
Straight shot - you instantly crit, and refresh the buff.
If you Heavy shot - You can POTENTIALLY crit, and if that does crit you deal 10 potency more damage and saved 10 TP.

That said, generally procs mean an undoubted damage boost and something you should pretty much always be happy about, but in this case sometimes using your procs quickly (what I'd consider good/reactive play) can harm your damage... That's silly. Obviously in net it's probably a slight damage increase but for the potential that procs hurt your dps is just not very fun/exciting.

Suggestions I'd have made would be one of the following:
Either
[Heavier Shot - Heavy shot has a 20% chance to make your next Straight Shot deal 180 potency and automatically hit for critical damage.]
OR
[Heavier Shot - Heavy shot has a 20% chance to make your next Straight Shot automatically hit for critical damage and consumes no TP.]

I'm not here because Bards needs buffs or what ever, I'm just making the overall statement that this trait has a potential to be less DPS, which isn't very fun to deal with. Thanks!.)

[meJojo]

You're worried about TP as a bard?

I like how it works right now, it helps keep you up the 10% crit buff at almost all times.

[RonPierce]

TP isn't an issue unless its a fight that requires some AoE, but that isn't the point. The point is unless you're specifically using it to refresh your buff there's a chance the proc "lures" you into lower DPS. Even with small changes EITHER making it cost no TP or increasing the damage of that Straighter shot the trait as a whole would no longer feel like a possible DPS loss. I find it odd that you can argue that. Its not a huge thing either way but having good reactive playing skills shouldn't have the potential of negatively effecting you. There's nothing fun about that.

[Hagito]

Only thing that bothers me of bard is the limit break. A heal? =_=; . . .

[vRoad]

No, I know it's overall a bit of an increase. That wasn't my point. My point was on a situation by situation basis it can dip your dps versus boost it, and it just makes it not fun/uninteresting overall. In my opinion, good design would be made in such a way that reactive play would NEVER potentially dip your DPS, even if over a long period of time it's slightly beneficial.

It doesn't really work like that though. In any case below 80% crit (RNG gods barring), using a Straighter Shot will be a DPS increase. It's not a potential DPS loss until you pass that threshold where your average Heavys equate to ~211% potency, which is over the max of a 100% Straight shot.

E: Messed up some numbers

You would need >80% crit chance to make Heavy Shot use outweigh the damage from Straight Shot

Look at it like this.

Straighter Shot - 210 Potency

Heavy Shot - X Potency (150+((crit/200)*150))
25% crit - 168.75 Potency
50% crit - 187.5 Potency
75% crit - 206.25 Potency
80% crit - 210 Potency
81% crit - 210.75 Potency
100% crit - 225 Potency

You might get the string of chain crits, but overall, until you break that 80% crit breakpoint, Straighter Shot will be a DPS increase.

[AnkoYaoi]

Aren't Bards incredibly powerful still? I think they're fine as they are.

[RonPierce]

You would need >60% crit chance to make Heavy Shot use outweigh the damage from Straight Shot

Look at it like this.

Straighter Shot - 210 Potency

Heavy Shot - X Potency (150+((crit/150)*150)
30% crit - 180 Potency
50% crit - 200 Potency
60% crit - 210 Potency
61% crit - 211 Potency
100% crit - 250 Potency

You might get the string of chain crits, but overall, until you break that 60% crit breakpoint, Straighter Shot will be a DPS increase.

No, I know it's overall a bit of an increase. That wasn't my point. My point was on a situation by situation basis it can dip your dps versus boost it, and it just makes it not fun/uninteresting overall. In my opinion, good design would be made in such a way that reactive play would NEVER potentially dip your DPS, even if over a long period of time it's slightly beneficial.

Aren't Bards incredibly powerful still? I think they're fine as they are.

Don't quote me for truth on this, but I BELIEVE as weapons get stronger our DPS(scaling) goes downward and melees start to surpass us due to how slow our weapon damage scales, having the lowest physical damage weapons in the game and low potency attacks, and weapon damage scales at something like 1 PD = 10 primary stat = 40 secondary stats, at least that's what I've read.

[AjoraOak]

add a ranged dmg LB and no one will even act like melee existed, /violin.

[RonPierce]

add a ranged dmg LB and no one will even act like melee existed, /violin.

I agree. TBH I think Bard should get an "Epic Volley" LB that's the same thing as Meteor but just more archerfish.

[Furious]

I feel Heavier Shot [Heavy shot has a 20% chance of making your next Straight Shot automatically Crit.] should be changed. Not because it's useless but because its both a dull and potentially harmful trait. Here's my reasoning:

Say Heavier shot procs:
You can do another Heavy shot, or Straight shot. If you:
Straight shot - you instantly crit, and refresh the buff.
If you Heavy shot - You can POTENTIALLY crit, and if that does crit you deal 10 potency more damage and saved 10 TP.

That said, generally procs mean an undoubted damage boost and something you should pretty much always be happy about, but in this case sometimes using your procs quickly (what I'd consider good/reactive play) can harm your damage... That's silly. Obviously in net it's probably a slight damage increase but for the potential that procs hurt your dps is just not very fun/exciting.

Suggestions I'd have made would be one of the following:
Either
[Heavier Shot - Heavy shot has a 20% chance to make your next Straight Shot deal 180 potency and automatically hit for critical damage.]
OR
[Heavier Shot - Heavy shot has a 20% chance to make your next Straight Shot automatically hit for critical damage and consumes no TP.]

I'm not here because Bards needs buffs or what ever, I'm just making the overall statement that this trait has a potential to be less DPS, which isn't very fun to deal with. Thanks!.)

This is like saying you shouldn't invest in long term high interest money sources because you could spend the money on scratchies and get more.