WAR and Wrath: Important Mechanics Discussed.

[Terabyt3]

And shaaaaaazam! I'm back and unbanned!

That was an unbelievably petty e-mail but it's beside the point.

Guess all those naysayers and war heroes that screamed"WAR is fine" and "L2WAR" have been silenced now. Confirmed byt he man himself in LFtP that PLD's are more survivable in the BC and therefore better tanks than WAR's there.

Not that you could argue otehrwise when presented with the matjematical facts of static vs. scaling mitigation. The positive spin they put on it in the letter was just that. Spin.

Vahl that screeny doesnt show anything you said?! Did you main tank that? Or the usual WAR OT? If you're tanking doubble dreads I'd love to see the vid.

[RapBreon]

Guess all those naysayers and war heroes that screamed"WAR is fine" and "L2WAR" have been silenced now.

AhahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA! Keep dreaming.

[HiirNoivl]

We don't know what changes are coming, but WAR won't be changed to be like PLD. I'm not expecting something like Hallowed Ground, Rampart, or Sentinel (thought it could happen). I think they want to keep WAR as a self heal, damage heavy tank so I believe that they may lessen or completely eliminate the damage nerf of Defiance. And change that to a flat heal buff that removes the cost of using Inner Beast while enhancing the efficiency of Bloodbath.

Meh, but we could guess all day. There's at least 7 changes coming.

[VahnValbosce]

Vahn,

Just curious, since I was impressed and wanted to see your gear, but you had your monk up. When I went to check out your other tank, I noticed that everybody was on a different server from you. Why did you end up leaving an FC that was willing to take you into Turn 4(and able to complete it with you there)? Not entirely relevant, I guess, but it did seem odd. I'd want to keep that group of people close to me.

There's no easy answer to that one... I suppose I'll be regretting that choice for awhile now.

[Viridiana]

Well apparently I got suspended for "being rude" not sure how that works, but yea.

Said I would post a screen of turn 4 and I have it, just couldn't post before.

And there's still a PLD in your pictures, so I'm going to continue to assume that he tanked the double dreads, because I assume you can't. >_>

[Terabyt3]

We don't know what changes are coming, but WAR won't be changed to be like PLD.
Meh, but we could guess all day. There's at least 7 changes coming.

Depends what you mean by like PLD. They've said they will make WAR as survivable as PLD is now. Easiest way is give WAR a better CD suite and mitigation that scales.

They can do that and still keep it as a reactive tank. Potency of heals would just have to scale based off incoming DPS.

Either that or they'll go back to the OP parry tank in 1.0 then PLD's will be pi**ed!

[Giantbane]

We don't know what changes are coming, but WAR won't be changed to be like PLD. I'm not expecting something like Hallowed Ground, Rampart, or Sentinel (thought it could happen). I think they want to keep WAR as a self heal, damage heavy tank so I believe that they may lessen or completely eliminate the damage nerf of Defiance. And change that to a flat heal buff that removes the cost of using Inner Beast while enhancing the efficiency of Bloodbath.

Meh, but we could guess all day. There's at least 7 changes coming.

I doubt that. Removing the defiance penalty isn't going to do much to help us survive like a PLD. And they specifically stated that WAR not being able to survive like a PLD in BC was a problem.

Since they also specifically mentioned that working with your healers so you save IB if heals are incoming is too difficult, I'm guessing they're going to start by moving the wrath +heal bonus straight onto defiance in order to simplify this.

[RapBreon]

Vahn,

Just curious, since I was impressed and wanted to see your gear, but you had your monk up. When I went to check out your other tank, I noticed that everybody was on a different server from you. Why did you end up leaving an FC that was willing to take you into Turn 4(and able to complete it with you there)? Not entirely relevant, I guess, but it did seem odd. I'd want to keep that group of people close to me.

Probably got sick of carrying them, trololololo.

[rexie]

Very few posts were on-topic.. I hope people will try to do so ^^;

From my experimentation so far, I find the use of IB frequently is better than stacking wrath. I'm confident of this result 100% on non-coil content, as there is no way I'll be healed THAT to justify stacking wrath + 300-potency DMG without penalty is too sweet to disregard.

Now on coil, I can also confirm even with full-VIT attributes (I had full STR before but changed to see how I fair), my non-crit IB is on average ~1400 (I do anywhere from 1300-1800 non-crit with MAIM & SE up). easily crit to 2k-2.8k on snake boss with berserk up.

So:
1[CODE]) A healer has to be healing me over 13k at least in 5 GCD which isn't normally the case.
2) Many times especially with 2 or 3 stacks on boss, my HP drops to 2-3k which is quite risky, so popping IB helps quite a bit making sure I don't die.

I'm still saving up DL to buy full-STR acc to experiment.

Thanks for this thread OP!

[Mishini_Dracoto]

So:
1[CODE]) A healer has to be healing me over 13k at least in 5 GCD which isn't normally the case.

Sorry, I don't understand where the figure 13K came from. I haven't read the entire thread because it fell into flame wars, then I found your post @ the end which *seems* intellectual lol. did you mean 1300 over 5 GCD? Which does actually seem reasonable?

I mean, the OP, If I'm still looking at the right thread, quoted a translation from Yoshi-P, so, I'm not really sure why/how the flame WAR started. Obviously there was truth to it. . .