"Fix Warrior" Threads

[Coramac]

Yoshi himself has said he would be surprised if 100 people have completed Coil by the time 2.1 is released, are you calling him a liar? If there was lets say, 1 million people playing this game and even 10% of them was up to coil, do you really think that 10'000 people from 100'000 are going to be through Coil when Yoshi already predicted 100? You are niave to think otherwise. I doubt there is even 2% doing coil without knowing any real numbers. No, this is not me trying to prove that less then 1% are in coil by using those numbers, so spare us your time on basic 101 math using my assumed hypothectical based numbers.

That sounds more naïve than lying.

Anyways, enough has been repeated on this topic and I am not sure why no one has pointed out that because Block does not exsist for Warriors is why our damage intake is so much higher. Anyone who remotely negates this is clearly not with it and arguing for the sake of arguing.

It is one of the reasons that it is higher. It is not the primary reason.

Generally speaking at no one in particular, go throw more maths at us, please I beg you. Maths us in the face until your finger tips bleed, but until you accept that because Block is not present in a Warriors ability to mitigate damage we will simply never tank as hard, consistantly OR effciently as a PLD. Run the numbers on how Block affects a PLD's ability to negate damage and I am willing to bet, with out even doing the numbers myself, that Block alone is around 15% of his mitgated damage and let me be clear here, I am not talking Block rating which by the way is not even visable on the character sheet, maybe a bit more give or take a few percent based on gear and guess what, OH MY GOD, it makes up for the difference in healing required of that of a Warrior, imagine that....BUT WAIT, there is still more, the difference in healing required is NOT 20% more for a Warrior because for some unknown reason, no one factors in the HPS from a Warriors self heal ability and even then is it fair to use a HPS form of analysis when the healing from a Warriors self heals is burst and not consistant? In other words, as Terbyte says, we are more reactive in the sense we take the hit, we help the healer heal it. Now if you play your Warrior without helping the healer heal you, as your self heals are your form of Block mitigation, then you fail at playing a Warrior, simple as that. At the specific time of use, Warriors HPS may very well spike to 800 - 900 HPS for that brief 3 - 4 seconds. eHPS however may very well be as low as 150 - 200 HPS but this is not what you look for or how you correctly analyse the way it works it way in to mitigation for a Warrior.

We have taken into account Warrior self healing. It's not nearly as effective as you believe it to be. Additionally, the Warrior loses his incoming healing buff. Heals are more effective on PLDs due to Shield Oath. The PLD is also more efficient due to superior CDs, blocking, and RoH.

TLDR; Block is still king, regardless how you want to chalk it up, Warriors simply do not get that extra form of mitigation. Some of the most intelligent people can be really dumb when it comes to only serving themselves and trying to push the point that only they want people to hear that only suites to serve thier purpose.

Block isn't king; it's just a nice added bonus. Shield Oath is, by itself, a ~9% advantage to the PLD if the WAR stays at Wrath V. That's a king maker. Additionally, the PLD cooldowns are just outstanding- Rampart (20% reduction), Sentinel (40% reduction), Hallowed Ground (100% reduction), Bulwark (substantial reduction vs. physical), Convalescence (+30% healing, better than WAR version). I'd the PLD has at least four, and I'd say 5, different defensive CDs that are better than every single WAR defensive CD and that's counting an empowered IB. That's another king maker. Block is nice. It's just not king level nice.