"Fix Warrior" Threads

[Ehayte]

Sure, a WAR would be sufficient for this with their self heals that could compete with Shield Oath in this specific instance. However, a PLD would be sufficient too because they are still reducing the damage taken, and because in general the aoe heals plus a couple spot regens will keep them up about as well as a WAR.

Well, I was going off the assumption that the previous statement of a WAR being superior if incoming DPS is below 350 as true. If that were the case, than it WOULD be easier to heal the WAR, as we are assuming. Meaning PLD would NOT be as good for this, as the healer would need to focus on healing the PLD more than the WAR, and potentially let a DPS die. I apologize for not making that assumption clear, but saying OK, WAR is a better tank in this situation, but PLD is a better tank in this situation, doesn't make sense : D

I'm not saying its good as-is, but looking at how each tank tanks (I am leveling a WAR currently and starting to get the hang of how it works) it would seem that if they make the right fixes and the content is built right, there should be a significant and strategic advantage to using one tank or the other. I am pretty much just speculating and asking questions. I felt I needed to respond to this as you didn't really address my question, quoted me, and straw-manned by point. Sorry : D

[Hachiko]

I'm not saying its good as-is, but looking at how each tank tanks (I am leveling a WAR currently and starting to get the hang of how it works) it would seem that if they make the right fixes and the content is built right, there should be a significant and strategic advantage to using one tank or the other. I am pretty much just speculating and asking questions. I felt I needed to respond to this as you didn't really address my question, quoted me, and straw-manned by point. Sorry : D

I know what you were trying to point out. The problem is the DPS threshhold is so low for when a PLD overtakes a WAR in terms of "regular" mitigation, that if you go that low on a PLD the healers will have absolutely no problem healing a paladin in such a situation.

Basically I'm not saying a WAR is a BETTER tank in a situation with a generally low dps boss, but rather that it will be trivially easy to keep a Paladin tank up on such a low dps boss given the gear requirements of Coil in general. I'm sorry you felt I straw manned your post, but you basically posited a situation where healing the tank would be so trivial for either tank that it really wouldn't matter.

And that's the point. The only time a WAR is going to be better than a PLD is in a situation where damage on the tank is trivial, and if damage on the tank is trivial it doesn't matter which job is tanking it.

[Ehayte]

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Gotcha - does anyone have a good feel for what the break even point would need to move to to make it worth it? Like I asked in a previous post where I threw out the number 450?

I am only being so persistent on this issue because I have played a PLD up to the HM primals and I find it extraordinarily boring, but I find WAR at level 36ish very very fun and engaging. I'd love to main the WAR, and will move it up to 50, but I will need to eventually make mytho tombstone decisions: focus a few on DPS for war, or stay all VIT/parry for PLD.

[oceanlord]

Gotcha - does anyone have a good feel for what the break even point would need to move to to make it worth it? Like I asked in a previous post where I threw out the number 450?

I am only being so persistent on this issue because I have played a PLD up to the HM primals and I find it extraordinarily boring, but I find WAR at level 36ish very very fun and engaging. I'd love to main the WAR, and will move it up to 50, but I will need to eventually make mytho tombstone decisions: focus a few on DPS for war, or stay all VIT/parry for PLD.

you will want crafted set to optimze a warrior