"Fix Warrior" Threads

[Taemek]

All subjective to personal opinion and player skill.

Truth is, people find it easier to whine, then to put the hard yards in and make it work. Warrior takes more effort to make it work. The only thing true about Paladins is, they are easier to play.

If you want easy mode button mash with little to no thinking required, play Paladin. If you want a class that requires you to think like a chess player and be a few moves ahead, play a Warrior.

[Anienai]

All subjective to personal opinion and player skill.

Truth is, people find it easier to whine, then to put the hard yards in and make it work. Warrior takes more effort to make it work. The only thing true about Paladins is, they are easier to play.

If you want easy mode button mash with little to no thinking required, play Paladin. If you want a class that requires you to think like a chess player and be a few moves ahead, play a Warrior.

Pretty much all of this.

Anyone whining that War's need this or that should just hang up their G. Axe and take up pounding sand.

[Gamemako]

All subjective to personal opinion and player skill.

No, it's all math and numbers.

How about WAR's stop blowing their wrath on IB? IB is only used when you have infuriate up to instantly restore your 5 stacks.

You've got 3 main issues here:

1) Infuriate has a cooldown.
2) You're seriously telling everyone to entirely stop using the main burst mitigation ability of the job.
3) Doing so, you'd end up as a gimped PLD at best (less than 15% average recovery compared to 25% effective recovery for PLD, basically no burst mitigation whatsoever)

[Kitru]

You've got 3 main issues here:

Except that he's right. Outside of Infuriate, where the cost is negated, and situational use while Berserk is active (i.e. you're low on hp and your healers aren't able to top you off before you die in the next GCD), Inner Beast is not an effective mitigation tool. As a rule of thumb, Inner Beast should only be used when you have Infuriate. There are a few situations where you want to use it otherwise, but, a *vast* majority of the time, you want to just use your Wrath V stacks.

[Gamemako]

Except that he's right. Outside of Infuriate, where the cost is negated, and situational use while Berserk is active (i.e. you're low on hp and your healers aren't able to top you off before you die in the next GCD), Inner Beast is not an effective mitigation tool. As a rule of thumb, Inner Beast should only be used when you have Infuriate. There are a few situations where you want to use it otherwise, but, a *vast* majority of the time, you want to just use your Wrath V stacks.

Oh, I certainly agree. I could go dig up the math elsewhere where I pointed out that using IB at all is not efficient due to the loss of the wrath stacks. The point is that you're not actually getting anything out of that strategy either.

[Kitru]

Oh, I certainly agree. I could go dig up the math elsewhere where I pointed out that using IB at all is not efficient due to the loss of the wrath stacks. The point is that you're not actually getting anything out of that strategy either.

You're getting more out of the Wrath hoarding strategy compared to the active IB use strategy. Both strategies still get less than was a PLD gets by just standing around, which is what I'm guessing is your point. The point the individual you quoted was trying to make, I believe, is coming from a WAR optimization perspective rather than a PLD/WAR comparative perspective.

[Gamemako]

Both strategies still get less than was a PLD gets by just standing around, which is what I'm guessing is your point.

Right, I'm just saying that the nature of the "strategy" is just playing should-have-rolled-PLD. Eliminating IB for burst mitigation leaves you with no real burst mitigation to speak of -- you seriously just eat hits and recover 15% more HP all day compared to PLD's effective 25%. Infuriate's 60-second cooldown means that you get a negligible HP boost from IB when you can use it. Your only remaining effective burst mitigation is ToB, and that's 120s CD and a rather small effect. What you are if you do that is a gimped PLD with no burst mitigation, identical eHP, and lower effective recovery. If you use this strategy at all, you've already accepted that WAR is hopelessly gimped in endgame content and are playing it as close to PLD as possible. Yet, somehow, the poster is off pretending that WAR is balanced because he used a strategy as near to gimped PLD as you can get.

[Raze_Krauser]

All subjective to personal opinion and player skill.

Truth is, people find it easier to whine, then to put the hard yards in and make it work. Warrior takes more effort to make it work. The only thing true about Paladins is, they are easier to play.

If you want easy mode button mash with little to no thinking required, play Paladin. If you want a class that requires you to think like a chess player and be a few moves ahead, play a Warrior.

hear, hear

[Vmage]

All subjective to personal opinion and player skill.

Truth is, people find it easier to whine, then to put the hard yards in and make it work. Warrior takes more effort to make it work. The only thing true about Paladins is, they are easier to play.

If you want easy mode button mash with little to no thinking required, play Paladin. If you want a class that requires you to think like a chess player and be a few moves ahead, play a Warrior.

interestingly enough, that's actually the exact opposite of the reality.

to play a paladin properly, you need to preemptively use your cooldowns, you need that extra mitigation up before you take that big hit.

to play a warrior properly, you only need to notice that you've taken a big chunk of damage already, and use inner beast after you've taken that big hit.