"Fix Warrior" Threads

[Coramac]

>_> *rolls eyes* Coil turn one.

I've been able to hold my own on that battle as off tank long as the steel scales don't get out of hand. As long as the healers bring their A game I live., actually correction, everybody brings their a game, I live.

I haven't BEAT it yet, but there are warriors out there that have killed it.

You totally missed the point. There's no off-tank in that screenshot. A PLD solo tanked it.

[antiviolence]

>_> *rolls eyes* Coil turn one.

I've been able to hold my own on that battle as off tank long as the steel scales don't get out of hand. As long as the healers bring their A game I live., actually correction, everybody brings their a game, I live.

I haven't BEAT it yet, but there are warriors out there that have killed it.

*rolls eyes*

[PessimiStick]

A WAR will never be able to do this: https://i.imgur.com/0dsjoyx.png

I wouldn't say *never*, but it's highly unlikely that any WAR could do this currently, for sure.

[Kunkka]

A WAR will never be able to do this: https://i.imgur.com/0dsjoyx.png

Actually, a WAR can(and has). You just need to kite ;D

[Faction]

As a warrior on COil, turn 1, I can say this.

1, any content a paladin can tank, a warrior will be able to do. What that means is, where ever a paladin can go a warrior can go. The are warriors on turn 4 of coil and survive just fine.

There are no Warriors who have main tanked coil turn 4.

[Cessna]

There are no Warriors who have main tanked coil turn 4.

I never said Main tank. Maybe I didn't come across clear, I saying that a warrior in theory would be able to complete all content. Which they HAVE so far.

Also I see I'm wrong about that turn and I'm sorry in general. I thought it was turn 1.

But anyhoo on to the next thing.

One very simple way at looking at this is, if a boss is doing 1000 DPS and the Warrior takes 950 HPS to keep up, while the Paladin only has to take 680 HPS, but the healer is capable of putting out 1500+ HPS, whats the issue? All that happens here is the amount of healing done per mana spent is maximized on a Warrior where it is not wasted as it would be on a Paladin where it would fall to overhealing.

The problem is like a above poster mentioned... is stress to healers. I even have a story. I was main tanking Titan HM, and I was able to get to 10% health of Titan hm. Everytime I wiped, it was due to the healers dying first. They were concentraiting on keeping me alive and less about their own survival. The same healers when I was used as a dps / off tank one shot titan using a paladin. The paladin health never droped beneath 70% 60% worst hits of MT buster. And the healers could focus on other things like living. They flat out told me that my tanking was good it just was they couldn't focus enough to heal all that more damage and keep dodging. While yes a war doesn't have mitigation, its absolute bullshit square that we make healers work harder at all.

[Terabyt3]

While yes a war doesn't have mitigation, its absolute bullshit that we make healers work harder at all.

We do have mitigation it's just reactive instead of proactive. We self heal.

It's not bulls**t that we make healers work harder. OFC we do once our mitigation is not as effective as a PLD's. See my above post.

At a certain point we DO require more healing as our form of mitigation is not as effective beyond that point.

[Cessna]

We do have mitigation it's just reactive instead of proactive. We self heal.

It's not bulls**t that we make healers work harder. OFC we do once our mitigation is not as effective as a PLD's. See my above post.

At a certain point we DO require more healing as our form of mitigation is not as effective beyond that point.

HUH... um... I'm on your side. I'm saying to square its totally wrong that we make our healers work harder.

[Gamemako]

Gotcha - does anyone have a good feel for what the break even point would need to move to to make it worth it? Like I asked in a previous post where I threw out the number 450?

It will depend on your build. If you're like Kunkka and have a Relic+1 and 423 strength, you're going to be closer to 450 for break-even with PLD on continuous basis. If you have just a relic and 320 strength, it'll be around 350 assuming full-on IB spam. For a quick sanity check on this ratio, remember that the bulk of mitigation comes from IB, and the first case has better than 30% more damage per swing than the second. The Wrath part scales directly with damage increase, meaning that it actually stays out of the ratio entirely -- 7% is 7% in any case. You effectively multiply out the IB damage increase to estimate new equivalence -- 350*1.3=455. These are not perfect estimates because the exact number will depend on true rotation, obviously. These are numbers also for continuous basis only, meaning you can't even use IB for burst mitigation, and they do not include concerted use of Berserk (assumed continuous) or any use of Bloodbath (would have to calculate PLD benefit as well). I have an old spreadsheet I could use to go for better estimates, but it needs improvement before it's ready for prime-time.

As a quick rule based on some preliminary calculations, you could just calculate damage-per-potency and multiply by 3.7. That definitely could use a bit more rigor, however, and I can imagine that more efficient continuous use of abilities would move it northward. I don't know how valuable such a calculation would be, though, as it would still rob you of your main burst mitigation.

(Either tank can last around 40 seconds without any assistance at 450 incoming DPS.)

[Tugboat]

I enjoy a warrior. I have played one to turn 4. Pals are better in every way. I did beat our other pals dps by 8 points last weak on worm so there is that, I guess.