"Fix Warrior" Threads

[antiviolence]

The notion that Warriors want the same amount of mitigation as a Paladin is a joke, not only is the difference negible, it is a downright slap in the face to those who play Paladins and before you cry me a river that I play a Paladin, I play a Warrior.

We don't want it. We need it.

Warrior = More HP to compensate the migation difference to a certain point. More DPS mechanically.
Paladin = More mitigation due to the use of a shield. Less DPS mechanically.

Warriors need to stop crying to be on par with Paladins, if you want to do that, drop your DPS. sacarfice your DPS cooldowns for survivability cool downs.

Warriors are more a DPS orientated off tank and can tank when needed, alas as I said, it takes more effort. I like having more DPS and burstey cooldowns with survivability then a Paladin, it is why I play one and it is how the class is designed.

Proven time and again, the myth that warriors do more DPS and paladins deal less is "negligible" just like how you put it. If you're crying and whining about WARs going around crying and whining, then where does that put you? Perhaps you might wish to level a WAR or perhaps a healer to 50 and try actually doing the content that other players are discussing about.

[Caraway]

The notion that Warriors want the same amount of mitigation as a Paladin is a joke, not only is the difference negible, it is a downright slap in the face to those who play Paladins and before you cry me a river that I play a Paladin, I play a Warrior.

Now that being said the hierachy of it goes like this:

Warrior = More HP to compensate the migation difference to a certain point. More DPS mechanically.
Paladin = More mitigation due to the use of a shield. Less DPS mechanically.

Warriors need to stop crying to be on par with Paladins, if you want to do that, drop your DPS. sacarfice your DPS cooldowns for survivability cool downs.

Warriors are more a DPS orientated off tank and can tank when needed, alas as I said, it takes more effort. I like having more DPS and burstey cooldowns with survivability then a Paladin, it is why I play one and it is how the class is designed.

I think most of us are just tired of hearing this same argument over and over again and unless you adapt and make it work, SE is going to ignore you in to your place.

As a Warrior I don't want the same amount of mitigation as a Paladin. I do believe there's a few tweaks to be done to the Warrior so that we don't make things quite so hard for our Healer friends though.

I personally love being a Warrior. I love the concept of sustaining through self-heals by bashing in that guy over there's head with an axe.

I believe that putting the combo bonus to Storm's Eye (I believe that's the one... The one that used to give a mini-Bloodbath when combo'd into in Defiance stance) back would actually go a long way. No, the healing isn't a lot individually, but as you keep hammering out your attacks you're going to get a lot of little boosts to help ease the pounding you're undoubtably taking. Not to mention it'll make the Inner Beast heal that much bigger. Chaining that buff with a Bloodbath will net a lot of healing as well in an "Oh shit" moment too.

I'm actually rather curious as to why they removed the combo bonus (but left the ability card showing it).

[Kal-El]

The notion that Warriors want the same amount of mitigation as a Paladin is a joke, not only is the difference negible, it is a downright slap in the face to those who play Paladins and before you cry me a river that I play a Paladin, I play a Warrior.

Now that being said the hierachy of it goes like this:

Warrior = More HP to compensate the migation difference to a certain point. More DPS mechanically.
Paladin = More mitigation due to the use of a shield. Less DPS mechanically.

Warriors need to stop crying to be on par with Paladins, if you want to do that, drop your DPS. sacarfice your DPS cooldowns for survivability cool downs.

Sorry I love my WAR but everything you said there is false. Sacrifice DPS cooldowns?!?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Terabyt3]

Sorry I love my WAR but everything you said there is false. Sacrifice DPS cooldowns?!?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I think he means berserk maybe? Which is not as good as fight or flight... lol

It's clear he has no evidence and is blind to any of the research done on the matter so far.

[Leiron]

The notion that Warriors want the same amount of mitigation as a Paladin is a joke, not only is the difference negible,

The difference is about 10% between Shield oath and Defiance alone.
When you consider Paladin's cooldowns, being able to block, it becomes much greater.
Its not a matter of Paladin being easier, but a matter of Paladin being significantly better that there isn't a true reason to use it over a Warrior.

[firepixiedarien]

The notion that Warriors want the same amount of mitigation as a Paladin is a joke, not only is the difference negible, it is a downright slap in the face to those who play Paladins and before you cry me a river that I play a Paladin, I play a Warrior.

Warriors need to stop crying to be on par with Paladins, if you want to do that, drop your DPS. sacarfice your DPS cooldowns for survivability cool downs.

I think most of us are just tired of hearing this same argument over and over again and unless you adapt and make it work, SE is going to ignore you in to your place.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/3090296/

Hi, I'm a Pally at 50 with relic, so my thoughts carry more weight than yours.

"WARs need a buff."

Thank you very much for your time Taemek.

[Taemek]

OH NOES, I am a low level, I can't possibly know what I am talking about......on my alt however, different story.

Since we are going to play the linking game:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1379515

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1380620

These two posts respectively point out the difference in mitigation is negible and there is many more to support it with hard numbers.

Now, show me that Warriors are only doing 6-10% DPS more then a Paladin.

[antiviolence]

OH NOES, I am a low level, I can't possibly know what I am talking about......on my alt however, different story.

Since we are going to play the linking game:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1379515

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1380620

These two posts respectively point out the difference in mitigation is negible and there is many more to support it with hard numbers.

Now, show me that Warriors are only doing 6-10% DPS more then a Paladin.

Could you post on your 'hidden' main char? I can't wait

Also, there are a ton of threads/posts in the Tank Roles board that explain everything you THINK you know.

[Coramac]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1379515

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1380620

These two posts respectively point out the difference in mitigation is negible and there is many more to support it with hard numbers.

Say what? Those are posts about 1 roll vs. multi rolls and ordering of combat events. It has nothing to do with WAR mitigation. WAR's are at a huge disadvantage because of the nature of the PLD mitigation. It is permanent and more substantial than the benefits a WAR receives from Defiance. If you look at IB as a CD, which I do and feel is most appropriate, the disparity increases because IB really pales in comparison to the CDs a PLD has.

[Taemek]

Say what? Those are posts about 1 roll vs. multi rolls and ordering of combat events. It has nothing to do with WAR mitigation. WAR's are at a huge disadvantage because of the nature of the PLD mitigation. It is permanent and more substantial than the benefits a WAR receives from Defiance. If you look at IB as a CD, which I do and feel is most appropriate, the disparity increases because IB really pales in comparison to the CDs a PLD has.

My point was from yours and others findings, even though based around a roll based system, it shows from your data that the mitigation values are within an acceptable range due to how the mechanically differences of the two classes are played.

People have been putting far to much emphasis on static maths with assumed numbers here to determine what the success rate of the Warrior is with out the fundamental understanding that a mutli-roll system was in place, as it is being shown with your findings, that any previous math or analysis that was done with basic math left people scratching thier heads and wondering why it didn't fit until you guys figured out it was a multi-roll systematic algorithuim in place, now that your findings are starting to make sense and proving true, further tests can be done to more successfully figure out where any tweaks can come from that will assist a Warrior staying with the flavour of being a Warrior, and not like a Paladin.

I am still interested in anyone showing us that the DPS difference between a Warrior and Paladin is 6 - 10%.

Everyone one knows in a statisticial analytical world, that when anything that can change or effect the data being used, there is hundreds if not thousands of variables that can skew it, hence why basic static math is not and never will be perfect.

Parses are the only true way to get positive results, anyone doing theory based calculations without understanding the form of chance is present, which in this case is the multi-roll system, is clearly just theorycrafting.