"Fix Warrior" Threads

[Hundred]

That problem is that WARs main form of mitigation is self healing. and that mitigation is STATIC. Regardless of if you are fighting a doormouse or titan or cacadeus, with the perfect rotation you will always heal for x ammount.

This shouldn't be a problem IMO. Healers heals don't scale based on Enemy damage, they scale like the Warrior on their on output. The WAR's inner beast remains relevant from the moment you get it. Storm path doesn't however, it healed me for 2-3% of my health when I first got it, which wasn't very practical of it's own accord but it's more damage after Maim. I observe coil runs and it changes from 2-3% to 1-2%. The % barely shifted and it doesn't matter because it healed for almost nothing from the very moment you get it.

If I look at WAR from my own experience
Storm path doesn't heal for anything even in the early game and needs to absorb for more.
Brutal swing's animation speed is fairly long for a stun even if it is off the gcd, shaving .3s on the animation would be felt.
Mercy stroke is not a practical healing skill given the 20% condition and then on-kill condition and should likely be reassessed I use it more and see it used more as just a dps increase. The frequency you can use it just means you can throw it out for damage more often than a PLD, because using it as a heal isn't even real life.


Do any of these things change from early game to Coil? From what I've observed, the answer is really no, it only shows more clearly. Two of it's class self-heals don't work that well from the beginning so how can they be meaningful mitigation end-game? All the WAR's I watch completing Coils, do it pretty much without using either of those two skills as self heals, which means they aren't used for mitigation...so they're not helping WAR's survive. It's not a skill issue (well I guess landing Mercy stroke on some level is) but that they aren't practical heals.

[Surfie]

First, there isn't an official "off-tank" role. Otherwise, you'd be able to queue as an Offtank.

Second, Warriors weren't designed to be off-tanks. If they were, don't you think Provoke would be a baseline ability for Marauders then? Taunt is better for the off-tank than it is for the main-tank.

[Ehayte]

Until WAR's main form of mitigation scales according to incoming damage instead of static they will never be on par with each other. WAR will out tank PLD if the incoming dps is below a certain level. Once the incoming dps gets above that level PLD starts becoming more effective.

Are there fights that exemplify this attribute of WAR? i.e. the main boss doesn't hit extremely hard but there are a ton of AEs and healers need to focus on healing the group instead, and the WAR uses his self healing to out-tank the PLD with low income damage? Or is the Coil and other end-game progression linear in the sense that the only increasing difficulty is "mob hit harder, more hp". I'm leveling up a WAR now as my FC is a little behind me overall in progression, so I haven't cracked Titan yet, much less been to Coil.

[Pinch]

Are there fights that exemplify this attribute of WAR? i.e. the main boss doesn't hit extremely hard but there are a ton of AEs and healers need to focus on healing the group instead, and the WAR uses his self healing to out-tank the PLD with low income damage?

If you had something that didn't hit hard, you wouldn't need a tank to begin with. The tank you used would be irrelevant in that situation.

[Derza]

Paladins would still be better in that situation because they take more effective healing than a Warrior.

That is not true... If a warrior is taking about 350 incoming DPS or less and using IB often the warrior will need less outside healing than the paladin. The issue with Warrior vs PLD is that the threshold where PLD surpasses warrior is fairly low( Incoming DPS wise ) And anything over that threshold you start to see huge differences in survivability.

[Pinch]

That is not true... If a warrior is taking about 350 incoming DPS or less and using IB often the warrior will need less outside healing than the paladin. The issue with Warrior vs PLD is that the threshold where PLD surpasses warrior is fairly low( Incoming DPS wise ) And anything over that threshold you start to see huge differences in survivability.

You caught me before my edit.

Anyways, if you were taking that little DPS, you could just use a DPS class to tank it.

[Ehayte]

If you had something that didn't hit hard, you wouldn't need a tank to begin with. The tank you used would be irrelevant in that situation.

That would not work. Something that is doing 350dps (referenced above) would be doing a much higher amount to any one of the dps or caster classes due to armor, mitigation, cool downs, etc, and they wouldn't be able to hold enmity, which is more important.

I have been a proponent of a WAR buff for a while, if they could bring that break even point up to something like 450dps would that make a difference? And to my other point, are there any fights where the boss doesn't hit extraordinarily hard, but does a lot of AE damage in Coil?

[Derza]

Are there fights that exemplify this attribute of WAR? i.e. the main boss doesn't hit extremely hard but there are a ton of AEs and healers need to focus on healing the group instead, and the WAR uses his self healing to out-tank the PLD with low income damage? Or is the Coil and other end-game progression linear in the sense that the only increasing difficulty is "mob hit harder, more hp". I'm leveling up a WAR now as my FC is a little behind me overall in progression, so I haven't cracked Titan yet, much less been to Coil.

Warriors are great for 4 man dungeons - better than paladins on most bosses there. 8 man dungeons on the other hand, I can't think of any boss where a warrior would be better off.

[Taemek]

The notion that Warriors want the same amount of mitigation as a Paladin is a joke, not only is the difference negible, it is a downright slap in the face to those who play Paladins and before you cry me a river that I play a Paladin, I play a Warrior.

Now that being said the hierachy of it goes like this:

Warrior = More HP to compensate the migation difference to a certain point. More DPS mechanically.
Paladin = More mitigation due to the use of a shield. Less DPS mechanically.

Warriors need to stop crying to be on par with Paladins, if you want to do that, drop your DPS. sacarfice your DPS cooldowns for survivability cool downs.

Warriors are more a DPS orientated off tank and can tank when needed, alas as I said, it takes more effort. I like having more DPS and burstey cooldowns with survivability then a Paladin, it is why I play one and it is how the class is designed.

I think most of us are just tired of hearing this same argument over and over again and unless you adapt and make it work, SE is going to ignore you in to your place.

[astrobear]

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...racter/3227634

dude you arent even a lvl 10 mara, the WTF do you know about the WAR tank endgame problems?