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    I haven't done coil yet, but I absolutely have had no problem tanking and killing HM Titan.

    I feel like a lot of the complaints are from inexperienced healers, under geared tanks, or a combination of the two.

    Additionally, you don't really stress your healers out in this fight like people believe. Everyone tries to calculate math into it, but frankly, not only are heals more effective on you when casted, your health pool allows much less over healing (and thus less agro as every point of HP over healed is one point of agro on the healer).

    Paladins simply can't boast this. I run with my FC of Real life friends and we run both a Pally and Warrior for the fight. They regard the opinion as misinformed inadequacies that are sketchy in theory and fail in practicality and I'm inclined to believe them. Especially when most of these calculations are done with an entire ilevel of gear missing, based on presumptions and flawed ideas on how stats actually work (we havent figured it out yet), and thus rely on conclusions that are missing important details or aspects that we as players are not even aware about.

    Again, I haven't tanked coil, so I don't know about that. Yet, as far as tanking HM titan, we have absolutely no problems nor do good healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonka11 View Post
    I haven't done coil yet, but I absolutely have had no problem tanking and killing HM Titan.

    I feel like a lot of the complaints are from inexperienced healers, under geared tanks, or a combination of the two.

    Additionally, you don't really stress your healers out in this fight like people believe. Everyone tries to calculate math into it, but frankly, not only are heals more effective on you when casted, your health pool allows much less over healing (and thus less agro as every point of HP over healed is one point of agro on the healer).

    Paladins simply can't boast this. I run with my FC of Real life friends and we run both a Pally and Warrior for the fight. They regard the opinion as misinformed inadequacies that are sketchy in theory and fail in practicality and I'm inclined to believe them. Especially when most of these calculations are done with an entire ilevel of gear missing, based on presumptions and flawed ideas on how stats actually work (we havent figured it out yet), and thus rely on conclusions that are missing important details or aspects that we as players are not even aware about.

    Again, I haven't tanked coil, so I don't know about that. Yet, as far as tanking HM titan, we have absolutely no problems nor do good healers.
    But if you get the i80 gear supposedly from Crystal tower you will not have a problem doing coil either. The issue is pld when all is optimal has better overall defenses. People tend to blow it out of proportion when saying WAR is useless. The fact that pld skills scale only becomes an issue when the instance out levels the gear ratio. So it would become harder on the whm. So people gravite towards the easier to be more "efficient" and that boils down to "Level PLD NOOB" as so well demonstrated in this very thread.
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    Well there ya go then, Paladin is simply overpowered and warrior is fine. My advice to other warriors is that they should probably be happy with the situation. We are in no position to be nerfed and are designed to be exactly at par with the game.
    Paladin will most likely see a nerf due to its capability to tank 1-2 fights beyond the gear iLevel gap. For the players crying "Paladins can tank stuff that we're not supposed to tank currently, so I should be able to as well!" seems stupid to me, and flawed logically on premise when taking into account the state of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonka11 View Post
    I run with my FC of Real life friends and we run both a Pally and Warrior for the fight. They regard the opinion as misinformed inadequacies that are sketchy in theory and fail in practicality and I'm inclined to believe them.
    Caduceus would like to have a word with your FC buddies. I saw him wielding one of these:

    http://lumberjocks.com/assets/pictur...cts/390547.jpg
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    bump, bump-bump
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    Do I have to like his idea however? I don't like it.
    I like a post pointing out a difference but scaling heals on damage doesn't compute to me. Why go that route? Also why do White mages not have this issue. There heals don't scale based on enemy damage, they're based on their stats with more value based on the effective healing a Tank has on them.
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    Last edited by Hundred; 10-15-2013 at 09:18 AM.

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